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Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:33 pm to CelticDog
Boston
AD, Frank Jackson
Washington
Smart,brown, Moore & NO first in 2019
Pels
Tatum,Beal,green,williams & two first from boston(Memphis and sac)
AD, Frank Jackson
Washington
Smart,brown, Moore & NO first in 2019
Pels
Tatum,Beal,green,williams & two first from boston(Memphis and sac)
Posted on 2/8/19 at 12:56 pm to Fun Bunch
1. Tatum
2. Smart
3. Sacramento pick
4. Memphis pick
5. Hayward
I believe Danny Ainge says, “we will give you Tatum, Smart, and Sacramento pick for AD.” If you want Memphis pick you must take Hayward. Both teams win...Boston has money to add another tier 1 Star next to AD, Kyrie, and Brown over the off season, and we have pieces to build a bright future!
2. Smart
3. Sacramento pick
4. Memphis pick
5. Hayward
I believe Danny Ainge says, “we will give you Tatum, Smart, and Sacramento pick for AD.” If you want Memphis pick you must take Hayward. Both teams win...Boston has money to add another tier 1 Star next to AD, Kyrie, and Brown over the off season, and we have pieces to build a bright future!
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:15 pm to Not Cooper
quote:its crazy that anybody could be skeptical of a 6'7" dude being the next great big man
Machine is so ridiculous with his Zion takes.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:23 pm to CelticDog
Just for all the scenarios: Celtics cannot make the trade until Kyrie signs a new deal (7/1 or later) AD's salary will be $27.09M with a 15% kicker. So the Celtics will have to send out at least $25M to acquire AD.
It will be interesting to see how much the second year salary is on their buyout candidate.
Tatum - $7.83M and Brown - $6.53M gets you to $14.3M. The 2019 SAC and BOS draft picks signed gets another $4M or so. Yabu is $3.1M.
It will be interesting to see how much the second year salary is on their buyout candidate.
Tatum - $7.83M and Brown - $6.53M gets you to $14.3M. The 2019 SAC and BOS draft picks signed gets another $4M or so. Yabu is $3.1M.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:26 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Celtics cannot make the trade until Kyrie signs a new deal (7/1 or later)
But they could agree to it in principle before then. I would imagine that unless the Knicks get the first pick they can probably come to an agreement as soon as the season is over for the Celtics.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:35 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Tatum - $7.83M and Brown - $6.53M gets you to $14.3M. The 2019 SAC and BOS draft picks signed gets another $4M or so. Yabu is $3.1M.
smart 12.5MM
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:39 pm to cgrand
What do y’all think about
Hayward or Horford
Smart
Tatum
A bunch of picks
For
AD
Hill
Moore?
Hayward or Horford
Smart
Tatum
A bunch of picks
For
AD
Hill
Moore?
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:40 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
But they could agree to it in principle before then. I would imagine that unless the Knicks get the first pick they can probably come to an agreement as soon as the season is over for the Celtics.
Right, just meant in terms of the trade has to go through in the new league year.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:41 pm to cgrand
quote:
smart 12.5MM
Sure. But I think the second year salary of whomever they add on the buyout market may be telling if he is in the deal or not.
If the 2nd year salary is $4M or more, I would think it’ll be Brown and not Smart in the deal.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:41 pm to Charlito
I'll be happy with any trade that includes Tatum, Smart and multiple picks or the Memphis pick. Anything above that is great, but that's the minimum I want.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:46 pm to NOFOX
quote:
Sure. But I think the second year salary of whomever they add on the buyout market may be telling if he is in the deal or not.
If the 2nd year salary is $4M or more, I would think it’ll be Brown and not Smart in the deal.
agree 100%
they cant match salary (without horford or haywards 30MM) without smart, currently. ainge is undoubtedly burning up the phones to agents trying to find a buyout player willing to take a 2 year deal
if they can, smart is out
Posted on 2/8/19 at 1:51 pm to TigerinATL
quote:
I'll be happy with any trade that includes Tatum, Smart and multiple picks or the Memphis pick. Anything above that is great, but that's the minimum I want.
Agree. I think anything they get above Smart/Tatum/Grizz pick and maybe one other pick will be predicated on the Knicks getting a top 2 pick. If that happens, then I think you get into adding Brown in and maybe more picks as well.
May 14th will determine so much.
This post was edited on 2/8/19 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:35 pm to Machine
quote:
its crazy that anybody could be skeptical of a 6'7" dude being the next great big man
Being skeptical and calling him Dejuan Blair are two different things.
No one is calling him the next great “big man”. People say he has the potential to be great because of his ridiculous athleticism to go along with being a very skilled player on both sides of the floor.
PJ Tucker and Draymond Green play almost exclusively at the 4/5, and the league is moving further and further away from its ISO post scoring days so I have no idea why you’re so dead set on the fact that a 6’7” guy can’t play forward.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 2:42 pm to JustinT37
quote:Heck, if we take on that contract, I would want Brown as well.
1. Tatum
2. Smart
3. Sacramento pick
4. Memphis pick
5. Hayward
I believe Danny Ainge says, “we will give you Tatum, Smart, and Sacramento pick for AD.” If you want Memphis pick you must take Hayward. Both teams win...Boston has money to add another tier 1 Star next to AD, Kyrie, and Brown over the off season, and we have pieces to build a bright future!
Posted on 2/8/19 at 3:23 pm to NOSHAU
What do you guys think is going to happen to Hayward?
Is he scarred for life and mentally can't get himself to be the player he was before.
Is it some physical limitation that is holding him back? Paul George looks just fine. Kevin Ware is playing professionally overseas. I can't see there being issues physically after this year.
He is shooting 11% from 3, where he's been averaging 37% for his career before the injury. I doubt he forgot how to shoot. He was also averaging around 6 FTA a game each of the 3 years before the injury, and this year he's averaging 2. His minutes are down, as well as his FGA by a good bit.
I think his below average play come from the mental aspect of getting over the injury, and the huge adjustment he's had to make taking a huge step back as a go to guy. Get him over here and he and Tatum are the go to guys. Jrue has zero problem taking a back seat offensively.
I think getting him is a little risk, but the reward could be huge. What sucks is that if he does come back to form next year, he can opt out of his final year, although that's a lot of money to opt out of. Who cares if we are paying him $31M. Outside of Jrue, no one else on the team is making double digits once we throw Solo's arse out of here.
If we can pry Tatum/Smart and get Hayward and he returns to preinjury form, we are a playoff team no doubt. People forget Hayward is 6'8" 225. He's a 4. Draymond is 6'7" 230.
Is he scarred for life and mentally can't get himself to be the player he was before.
Is it some physical limitation that is holding him back? Paul George looks just fine. Kevin Ware is playing professionally overseas. I can't see there being issues physically after this year.
He is shooting 11% from 3, where he's been averaging 37% for his career before the injury. I doubt he forgot how to shoot. He was also averaging around 6 FTA a game each of the 3 years before the injury, and this year he's averaging 2. His minutes are down, as well as his FGA by a good bit.
I think his below average play come from the mental aspect of getting over the injury, and the huge adjustment he's had to make taking a huge step back as a go to guy. Get him over here and he and Tatum are the go to guys. Jrue has zero problem taking a back seat offensively.
I think getting him is a little risk, but the reward could be huge. What sucks is that if he does come back to form next year, he can opt out of his final year, although that's a lot of money to opt out of. Who cares if we are paying him $31M. Outside of Jrue, no one else on the team is making double digits once we throw Solo's arse out of here.
If we can pry Tatum/Smart and get Hayward and he returns to preinjury form, we are a playoff team no doubt. People forget Hayward is 6'8" 225. He's a 4. Draymond is 6'7" 230.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 3:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think if Boston wants to include him I don't want to take him. I can see Boston insisting though because the East got tougher so Ainge probably needs to find a way to add a 3rd All Star to the mix which means not having an untradeable $32 million contract and probably keeping the Memphis pick.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 3:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
People forget Hayward is 6'8" 225. He's a 4. Draymond is 6'7" 230.
on basketball reference, his closest match on "career similarity score" is draymond green
basically, if you take him on, he's your "AD salary slot" and you build around him, holiday, tatum. i am of the opinion that buying low on him now is the right thing to do but i realize it's a big risk. the reward could be huge though
Posted on 2/8/19 at 3:42 pm to cgrand
It's without a doubt a risk, but why not take it?
seriously, what do you think is wrong with him right now?
I mean he may be in a mental state where he's just never going to be the same basketball player again. This injury he had is not one that people don't come back from physically.
I really think the emergence of Tatum and then Kyrie being so ball dominant has really changed how he plays the game, and he just isnt' adjusting to it very well.
If he doesn't work out, oh well. You pay him for two years and he's gone, and by then i'd hope you would have found someone to take his place from the draft.
It's not like we are attracting some big FA with cap space, so who cares if we have any.
seriously, what do you think is wrong with him right now?
I mean he may be in a mental state where he's just never going to be the same basketball player again. This injury he had is not one that people don't come back from physically.
I really think the emergence of Tatum and then Kyrie being so ball dominant has really changed how he plays the game, and he just isnt' adjusting to it very well.
If he doesn't work out, oh well. You pay him for two years and he's gone, and by then i'd hope you would have found someone to take his place from the draft.
It's not like we are attracting some big FA with cap space, so who cares if we have any.
Posted on 2/8/19 at 3:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
seriously, what do you think is wrong with him right now?
I mean he may be in a mental state where he's just never going to be the same basketball player again.
reading the celtics writers, he was not in a good mental state at the start of the season...tentative and unsure. couple that with the leap that the team took without him and his role suddenly went from "prize FA signing & centerpiece" to "oh shite what if i cant play anymore?"
its been only 50 games...
i'm betting next year he's all the way back, and a change of scenery without the pressure could do wonders
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