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re: Cap Talk and moves you would like to see
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:39 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 4/20/23 at 7:39 pm to 50_Tiger
I’d love Naz Reid but I think he’s going to get a pretty nice sized contract. The word is out on him now and coming back from an ACL is a non issue nowadays so that won’t matter. I would love seeing him and Larry on the floor together. They are both smart, scrappy players and would be great rebounding off the bench. I think he’s going to get around $15 million on his next contract. Our best hope is finding a solid draft pick because we need to save money as much as we can. Getting off Temple’s contract will help too.
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Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:10 pm to LSUPilot07
You really think a guy making 1.153m last year is going to get a 10m dollar contract from one good season?
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:24 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Where is Val going? I don't really see Minnesota wanting Val to S&T Reid. Plus, that makes us worse imo. Reid isn't an upgrade over Val on either side of the ball.
How so? Val is making 15.5mil next year.
Reid- 12mil
Matkovich- 2mil
Draft/ undrafted/ vet min- 2mil
That’s 16 mil, 2 extra players, and 3 different opportunities to find the long term fit.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:26 pm to Dantheman504
quote:You don't have the $5.7 mil Kira contract in the 2nd group.
9/15 roster spots.
Val- 15.5mil
Kira- 5.7mil
GT- 5.4mil
Billy- 2.6mil
Naji - 1.9mil
JR - 0mil
= 31.5mil
Burks- 12mil
Reid- 12mil
EJ- 2mil
Mat- 2mil
Draft- 2mil
Draft/ Naji/ vet min- 2mil
=32mil
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:30 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:He was almost the exact same #s 2 seasons ago. Last season minutes were down.
You really think a guy making 1.153m last year is going to get a 10m dollar contract from one good season?
I do think he gets over $10mil.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:44 pm to shel311
I was able to find an article that did the hard work for us.
LINK /
So it looks like he would need part of the MLE.
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If Minnesota could get Reid on something like three-year, $22 million deal, that seems workable for both player and team. A sensible deal structure could look something like this:
2023-24: $8,000,000
2024-25: $7,360,000
2025-26: $6,720,000
That’s a frontloaded contract that descends by 8% each season. That gives Reid more money right away, while also helping the Wolves with what will likely be an extremely expensive roster down the line. In addition, the deal is short enough that Reid can hit the market for a bigger third contract before he turns 30, should be prove worthy.
This deal would also pay Reid slightly more than the three-year, $18.5 million extension that Dean Wade recently signed with the Cleveland Cavaliers. That feels fair, as Reid is nearly three years younger than Wade, and he’s established more of a consistent role in the NBA.
LINK /
So it looks like he would need part of the MLE.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:49 pm to shel311
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Where is Val going? I don't really see Minnesota wanting Val to S&T Reid. Plus, that makes us worse imo. Reid isn't an upgrade over Val on either side of the ball.
Jake's show today was all about trading JV for Turner. I don't know that Turner is necessarily likely, but I kinda agree with Jake when he says that he doesn't expect JV to be back on the roster next season.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 8:52 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Unless we're pulling some 3 or 4 team deal that none of us can even think of, other than a guy like Turner, I'm struggling to think of a deal with Val going out that improves our team.
Jake's show today was all about trading JV for Turner. I don't know that Turner is necessarily likely, but I kinda agree with Jake when he says that he doesn't expect JV to be back on the roster next season.
And while it certainly might, I'd go as far as saying I don't think Turner is a guarantee to be an improvement at center.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:01 pm to shel311
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deal that none of us can even think of
There's always unanticipated movement: players who want out, coaching or GM changes that lead to different philosophies, teams draft guys and then don't need others, etc.
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And while it certainly might, I'd go as far as saying I don't think Turner is a guarantee to be an improvement at center.
That was basically Jake's take as well. He pulled up some defensive rebounding stats that indicated that Turner is only slightly better at that than Larry Nance -- not very good.
Posted on 4/20/23 at 9:17 pm to shel311
Willie just doesn’t want to use
JV
Jaxson
Billy
Kira
I think all 4 need to go out in a consolidation trade.
I’ve been beating this drum from the beginning. He covers some holes but opens new ones. But we have to do something because of how Willie views JV.
JV
Jaxson
Billy
Kira
I think all 4 need to go out in a consolidation trade.
quote:
He pulled up some defensive rebounding stats that indicated that Turner is only slightly better at that than Larry Nance -- not very good.
I’ve been beating this drum from the beginning. He covers some holes but opens new ones. But we have to do something because of how Willie views JV.
This post was edited on 4/20/23 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/23 at 10:35 pm to TigerinATL
This is a great thread. Been wanting to see what the numbers look like.
Drafting Dyson instead of one of the bigs last year is looking worse and worse by the day. All the Turner/Naz comments only plunge the knife deeper.
Drafting Dyson instead of one of the bigs last year is looking worse and worse by the day. All the Turner/Naz comments only plunge the knife deeper.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:30 am to DallasTiger45
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Drew Eubanks as a starter is not a great plan imo
If he can give you 20 minutes/game, 8 pts.,7 reb. with decent switch ability and rim protection, he'll be fine. You don't need stars at every position
Posted on 4/21/23 at 9:51 am to Solo
quote:
Drafting Dyson instead of one of the bigs last year is looking worse and worse by the day.
no it isn't.
There isn't a dumber decision you can make in the draft than to draft a raw center in the top 10. They turn out to be busts far more often than not. That's just not what you do when you are picking top 10. You draft BPA and that person is usually always a guard/forward. all of the 5's that are doing well defensively in the nba are usually picked in the teens or twenties, b/c most of them had no offensive game in college. If they did they would have gone top 3.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:01 am to 50_Tiger
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You really think a guy making 1.153m last year is going to get a 10m dollar contract from one good season?
Absolutely. It is not just 1 year of production from him, just 1 year you have noticed. That 1.153M wasn't a free agent contract, it was the last year of a 4/$6M he signed as a rookie UDFA. It's like saying Jose can't get $10M in 2025 because he'll only make $1.9M in 2024.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:22 am to GOP_Tiger
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That was basically Jake's take as well. He pulled up some defensive rebounding stats that indicated that Turner is only slightly better at that than Larry Nance -- not very good.
I think the improvement in rim protection and shooting would outweigh the loss in rebounding.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:25 am to TeddyPadillac
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no it isn't.
There isn't a dumber decision you can make in the draft than to draft a raw center in the top 10. They turn out to be busts far more often than not. That's just not what you do when you are picking top 10. You draft BPA and that person is usually always a guard/forward. all of the 5's that are doing well defensively in the nba are usually picked in the teens or twenties, b/c most of them had no offensive game in college. If they did they would have gone top 3.
Its like they forget we just drafted a raw center 8th overall 4 years ago lol. How did that turn out? Never draft a center top 10 unless they are a wemby or embiid level prospect.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:38 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Possibly
I think the improvement in rim protection and shooting would outweigh the loss in rebounding.
But I'd add a couple of different things. First, with Val you're also likely getting an extra 15 games out of him compared to Turner, if not more. And also, when we were down 1 or 2 guys, we had success when we did run the offense through Val even if we were reluctant to do so all too often. That's not something you really can do with Turner.
The 2nd part, and I know this sounds nitpicking but I think it matters. You said you "think" Turner's strengths would outweigh what we'd lose with Val. But if we're trading Val and multiple assets to get Turner, shouldn't we be absolutely certain that we're getting an overall upgrade?
I actually sorta agree with you in that I also think Turner will be a better fit, but I don't think that is enough for me to want give up the assets along with Val for something I'm not certain about.
And all of this is not the starting point on the conversation which would be would Indy even remotely be interested in moving Turner and if so, would they even want Val back, but that's a different discussion.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:54 am to 50_Tiger
Trade Zion. Replace him with players who can contribute. Then actually make the playoffs next season.
Or we can keep dicking around with him and let him keep fricking the locker room all up. THEN end up trading him anyway when he inevitably demands one.
Or we can keep dicking around with him and let him keep fricking the locker room all up. THEN end up trading him anyway when he inevitably demands one.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:56 am to shel311
Someone said something I think in the Mike Brown COTY thread. Basically Brown got a roster that fits the Golden State style he wants to run and Willie (and Jarron) are trying to run the Golden State system with a roster that doesn't fully fit that.
JV is one of the biggest misfits in this regard. We saw this not work with Dell Demps where he gave Monty and Gentry rosters that didn't really fit what they wanted to do. They just need to trade the players that don't fit Willie and get him players that do. Even if it's not an upgrade it should be a net positive because Willie will make better use of them.
JV is one of the biggest misfits in this regard. We saw this not work with Dell Demps where he gave Monty and Gentry rosters that didn't really fit what they wanted to do. They just need to trade the players that don't fit Willie and get him players that do. Even if it's not an upgrade it should be a net positive because Willie will make better use of them.
Posted on 4/21/23 at 11:56 am to shel311
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The 2nd part, and I know this sounds nitpicking but I think it matters. You said you "think" Turner's strengths would outweigh what we'd lose with Val. But if we're trading Val and multiple assets to get Turner, shouldn't we be absolutely certain that we're getting an overall upgrade?
I actually sorta agree with you in that I also think Turner will be a better fit, but I don't think that is enough for me to want give up the assets along with Val for something I'm not certain about.
I am absolutely certain that turner is a better rim protector and shooter, he's proven that over his career.
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And also, when we were down 1 or 2 guys, we had success when we did run the offense through Val even if we were reluctant to do so all too often. That's not something you really can do with Turner.
If we have another season missing 1 or 2 main guys and are forced to rely on turner for offense then this whole iteration of the pelicans is a failure and the team will be overhauled. The FO will be gone, willie will be gone, BI and or Zion will be traded. We shouldnt have to worry about being able to run an offense through turner
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