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re: Buddy Hield and his progression
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:13 am to corndeaux
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:13 am to corndeaux
one thing I don't like about Hield, and I'm not even sure if it's him, is the standing around on offense so much.
So often he's just camping out in one spot on the three point line watching Jrue and AD run a pick and role. Very little movement. I think if there was more ball movement, and he was allowed to run around more to get open, he'd be better off. A lot of his 3's are wide open 3's, and I know that's what you want, but that's not how he's used to shooting threes. You want to be running to the spot and catching and shooting a somewhat open 3. You don't see Reddick and Korver just staying in one spot all the time. You've got to move.
maybe he's just nervous and hasn't found his groove yet in the offense, or maybe he's doing what he's being told to do, but he needs to be more involved with the movement of the offense. he rarely ever catches the ball and looks to make something happen. That's not who he was at Oklahoma. He had the ball in his hands and the offense fed through him. Now he gets the ball and if he's not open to shoot, then he looks nervous like he's got to get it back to Jrue or AD asap.
The not finishing at the rim doesn't bother me that much. he isnt' an elite athlete and he's never had to finish around NBA talent on a regularly basis. He still finds ways to get in the paint. He'll finish better as he ages, and he needs to look more to shoot mid range jumpers and floaters.
What Buddy really needs to do is watch film on Reddick, Korver, Crawford, and older not as athletic Ray Allen. Talk to David Wesley more and work with him, get his advice. I think we've all heard about his work ethic and drive to get better. I have faith he will improve and be a guy in 3 years that can make a big difference as the 3rd or 4th option on the team offensively.
So often he's just camping out in one spot on the three point line watching Jrue and AD run a pick and role. Very little movement. I think if there was more ball movement, and he was allowed to run around more to get open, he'd be better off. A lot of his 3's are wide open 3's, and I know that's what you want, but that's not how he's used to shooting threes. You want to be running to the spot and catching and shooting a somewhat open 3. You don't see Reddick and Korver just staying in one spot all the time. You've got to move.
maybe he's just nervous and hasn't found his groove yet in the offense, or maybe he's doing what he's being told to do, but he needs to be more involved with the movement of the offense. he rarely ever catches the ball and looks to make something happen. That's not who he was at Oklahoma. He had the ball in his hands and the offense fed through him. Now he gets the ball and if he's not open to shoot, then he looks nervous like he's got to get it back to Jrue or AD asap.
The not finishing at the rim doesn't bother me that much. he isnt' an elite athlete and he's never had to finish around NBA talent on a regularly basis. He still finds ways to get in the paint. He'll finish better as he ages, and he needs to look more to shoot mid range jumpers and floaters.
What Buddy really needs to do is watch film on Reddick, Korver, Crawford, and older not as athletic Ray Allen. Talk to David Wesley more and work with him, get his advice. I think we've all heard about his work ethic and drive to get better. I have faith he will improve and be a guy in 3 years that can make a big difference as the 3rd or 4th option on the team offensively.
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Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:13 am to Crewz
right. this year is normal. last year, with so many rookies surprising with their play and potential ceiling, was abnormal. even then, most of last year's rookies weren't "good" players in the immediate sense
still high on Simmons and excited for him to play w/ Embiid. and i'd take Ingram and Brown over Hield every single time right now. i like what they have shown, even while recognizing they're still a couple of years out from being "good"
i like Bender. he doesn't have the ceiling of the other guys, but he does some nice things. Dunn is a rookie pg- rookie pgs struggle unless they are CP3 and even he had a mediocre 1st year
still high on Simmons and excited for him to play w/ Embiid. and i'd take Ingram and Brown over Hield every single time right now. i like what they have shown, even while recognizing they're still a couple of years out from being "good"
i like Bender. he doesn't have the ceiling of the other guys, but he does some nice things. Dunn is a rookie pg- rookie pgs struggle unless they are CP3 and even he had a mediocre 1st year
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:14 am to TPecoraro23
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it's unbelievable that people are gonna defend him
Its unbelievable that people are going to defend a player 4 months into his pro career?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:37 am to Crewz
Nah, of course it will take time. But they've been under performing even by rookie standards imho
Posted on 2/9/17 at 9:44 am to htran90
Based on what? Raw numbers?
You put Kris Dunn on that terrible Kings team that Reke was on and let him have the ball in his hands all game and he would put up similar numbers IMO
The rookies are no worse, they are just playing in a deeper league where every team is trying to win for the first time in I don't know how long
You put Kris Dunn on that terrible Kings team that Reke was on and let him have the ball in his hands all game and he would put up similar numbers IMO
The rookies are no worse, they are just playing in a deeper league where every team is trying to win for the first time in I don't know how long
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:47 am to corndeaux
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it is a lower release than Thompson which is a huge difference
The notion that buddy is anything like Thompson is ridiculous
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:49 am to htran90
He's just not athletic enough to probably ever be an above average finisher at the rim. His ceiling is JJ Reddick and I would be fine with that.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:53 am to GynoSandberg
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Hmm wasn't about a month ago buddy surpassed Murray as best ever. I remember a lot of laughing emojis and even a few rolling on the ground laughing and the pure notion of putting Murray in Buddy's clas
Murray will still more than likely be the better player, plus he is younger and can also play the point.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:55 am to htran90
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50.5% from within 3ft.
That's terrible
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:14 am to 504Voodoo
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quote:50.5% from within 3ft. That's terrible
Westbrook is 57% this year, 46% as a rookie.
Guys like Oladipo and McCollum were under 50% as rookies, and they got better each year and are now near 60%.
Even Austin Rivers, who was at 48% his rookie year, has been around 60% the last 3 years.
The kid is a rookie. why is that so hard to understand?
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:44 am to TeddyPadillac
Yep, all of this should have been expected. It all comes down to this summer IMO-- does he put in the time to work on his handle? That will open everything up for him IMO
Guys can play up on his now because he can't get past them and handle the ball in traffic. He gets a terrific handle and you either gotta give him space or he gets to the rim and finishes better because he has more separation
Guys can play up on his now because he can't get past them and handle the ball in traffic. He gets a terrific handle and you either gotta give him space or he gets to the rim and finishes better because he has more separation
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:50 am to Crewz
There's an ad at the bottI'm of the page introducing Shaq's new line of glasses.
I don't even wear glasses, yet now I want a pair.
Best spokesman ever.
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Best spokesman ever.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 4:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
right. young players get better. no one with a brain thinks Hield is maxed out 4 months into his rookie year.
same time, Westbrook and Oladipo were/are a different type of athlete than Hield. McCollum and even Rivers had/have better handles than Hield. doesnt mean he can't get there, but nothing is guaranteed either.
it's not will he get better, rather will it be good enough to raise his ceiling? i think he'll have a long, if unspectacular career. but things change. very few probably thought he would the the college player he was.
same time, Westbrook and Oladipo were/are a different type of athlete than Hield. McCollum and even Rivers had/have better handles than Hield. doesnt mean he can't get there, but nothing is guaranteed either.
it's not will he get better, rather will it be good enough to raise his ceiling? i think he'll have a long, if unspectacular career. but things change. very few probably thought he would the the college player he was.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:24 pm to supe12sta12z
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You should probably give him 3 years before making statements like that
College seniors don't deserve a three year grace period. He's not fresh out of high school for crying out loud.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:27 pm to JabarkusRussell
The guy most compare him to- Redick- come out after his senior year and took how long to become a good NBA player?
Rookies are gonna stink 99 percent of the time. No matter how long they were in college
Rookies are gonna stink 99 percent of the time. No matter how long they were in college
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:30 pm to Crewz
Reddick was always going to be a role player. Heild had expectations to be an all star caliber player.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 6:52 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Heild had expectations to be an all star caliber player.
He had them. His career is already over?
And he didn't have all star expectations. That's a best case scenario, if he somehow amounts to a bit more than Reddick, which is what most expect him to be, jj reddick.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
Nobody thought McCollum or Thompson were going to amount to the level they have been at.
People liked the upside of other guys like mclemore and look what's going on right now. The draft is even less guaranteed than the NFL, but J think we can all agree the prospect and potential of a player improving or growing is entertaining. I haven't been this excited about a player, future role player or not, since ad was drafted.
People liked the upside of other guys like mclemore and look what's going on right now. The draft is even less guaranteed than the NFL, but J think we can all agree the prospect and potential of a player improving or growing is entertaining. I haven't been this excited about a player, future role player or not, since ad was drafted.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:26 pm to htran90
I agree about watching someone improve from their rookie season.
And you expect to get a sure fire starter or two in the NFL draft that will help in year one. It is extremely rare for a rookie in the NBA to be a true difference maker his rookie season like Magic Johnson, who joined a team with two hall of famers.
And you expect to get a sure fire starter or two in the NFL draft that will help in year one. It is extremely rare for a rookie in the NBA to be a true difference maker his rookie season like Magic Johnson, who joined a team with two hall of famers.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 7:46 pm to JabarkusRussell
This is my exact evaluation of Buddy from a piece last February, and the expectation was always Redick, never an All-Star LINK /
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Hield’s numbers are fantastic this year, and if he were a Freshman, he might be the #1 pick in the draft. But let’s not forget that he is a man amongst boys as a 22 year-old, three-year starter in college. He is a little undersized for a shooting guard, but his length can make up for that, and he has showed more ball handling ability this season. For the Pelicans, Hield’s leadership, passion, durability,and effort will be immensely appealing after watching their 3 highly paid guards limp, sulk, and passively go about these past few seasons.
I have watched Hield nearly a dozen times this year, and I see college JJ Reddick with better defense. He scores because he has an amazing stroke and a quick release, and quite frankly, because he is smarter than everyone else on the floor. He takes advantage of young, undisciplined defenders who don’t locate him on the break or off of a scramble when his team gets an offensive rebound. What I don’t see is an amazing first step that allows him to get by defenders. I also don’t see a guy physical enough to finish in NBA traffic.
Because of this, his ceiling is somewhat limited. Make no mistake, Reddick with better defense would be a very good player, but it also took a few years and CP3 for JJ to become the guy he is now. Defensively, he will try, but he won’t be Klay Thompson. He doesn’t have the size or the lateral quickness to be elite on that end, and the best you can probably hope for is that he doesn’t hurt you there. Put him next to Holiday and a defensive 3, and there won’t be any issues on the perimeter, but again, don’t expect a lock down guy.
At the end of the day, you want shooting around Anthony Davis, and Hield’s numbers this year (49% from deep on nearly 9 attempts) say that he can be elite on that end. But I would proceed with caution. First of all, he was an average 3-point shooter over the three years prior to this one. Secondly, I don’t love his stroke. He pushes the ball too much for my liking; It’s not a natural, smooth stroke. I think his shot could get blocked more in the pros, and I also wonder if he can maintain his accuracy with the line a few feet further back. But get out and run (which Gentry wants to do), and he could be lethal – a rich man’s Anthony Morrow. Not a star, in this writer’s opinion, but it’s hard to see how he fails.
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Hield’s numbers are fantastic this year, and if he were a Freshman, he might be the #1 pick in the draft. But let’s not forget that he is a man amongst boys as a 22 year-old, three-year starter in college. He is a little undersized for a shooting guard, but his length can make up for that, and he has showed more ball handling ability this season. For the Pelicans, Hield’s leadership, passion, durability,and effort will be immensely appealing after watching their 3 highly paid guards limp, sulk, and passively go about these past few seasons.
I have watched Hield nearly a dozen times this year, and I see college JJ Reddick with better defense. He scores because he has an amazing stroke and a quick release, and quite frankly, because he is smarter than everyone else on the floor. He takes advantage of young, undisciplined defenders who don’t locate him on the break or off of a scramble when his team gets an offensive rebound. What I don’t see is an amazing first step that allows him to get by defenders. I also don’t see a guy physical enough to finish in NBA traffic.
Because of this, his ceiling is somewhat limited. Make no mistake, Reddick with better defense would be a very good player, but it also took a few years and CP3 for JJ to become the guy he is now. Defensively, he will try, but he won’t be Klay Thompson. He doesn’t have the size or the lateral quickness to be elite on that end, and the best you can probably hope for is that he doesn’t hurt you there. Put him next to Holiday and a defensive 3, and there won’t be any issues on the perimeter, but again, don’t expect a lock down guy.
At the end of the day, you want shooting around Anthony Davis, and Hield’s numbers this year (49% from deep on nearly 9 attempts) say that he can be elite on that end. But I would proceed with caution. First of all, he was an average 3-point shooter over the three years prior to this one. Secondly, I don’t love his stroke. He pushes the ball too much for my liking; It’s not a natural, smooth stroke. I think his shot could get blocked more in the pros, and I also wonder if he can maintain his accuracy with the line a few feet further back. But get out and run (which Gentry wants to do), and he could be lethal – a rich man’s Anthony Morrow. Not a star, in this writer’s opinion, but it’s hard to see how he fails.
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