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re: Buddy Hield and his progression
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:04 pm to Crewz
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:04 pm to Crewz
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What I don’t see is an amazing first step that allows him to get by defenders. I also don’t see a guy physical enough to finish in NBA traffic.
Surprisingly, the first step is better than I thought but definitely agree he cannot finish efficiently, absorb contact, or buy a foul.
Absolutely agree on majority of the rest. He won't be an elite defender, but with jrue and a hill-level defensive 3, he won't be asked to defend the elite like harden, Westbrook, etc. He'll be on the JR smiths, Andre Robertson, Patrick Beverley of the leagues.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 8:20 pm to JabarkusRussell
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Reddick was always going to be a role player. Heild had expectations to be an all star caliber player
From who? I was and am one of his biggest proponents and I think his ceiling is below all star. Borderline at best, but below all star. Same way I feel about Murray.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 10:30 pm to htran90
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I haven't been this excited about a player, future role player or not, since ad was drafted.
Probably because AD was our last draft pick before Buddy. Thanks Dell.
Posted on 2/9/17 at 11:02 pm to Colonel Flagg
I know that, but even the players we had in the trades didn't bring much excitement even though they were quality players who were still young.
Jrue being the primary one, he was on an upward trend
Jrue being the primary one, he was on an upward trend
Posted on 2/10/17 at 5:32 pm to TPecoraro23
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Hes at absolute best JJ Reddick 2.0
This has always been my fear.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 10:09 am to corndeaux
And thompson can use the backboard when he is forced wide on his way to driving layup. He makes a 6 or 9 footer from 30 degrees to 45 degrees off the board. Slick.
Buddy needs to get in gym off season, work on his game 10 feet and in.
Buddy needs to get in gym off season, work on his game 10 feet and in.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 11:43 am to CelticDog
Rookie Klay:
<3ft: 70.0%
3-10ft: 21.7%
10-16ft: 43.4%
16<3pt: 41.4%
3pt: 41.4%
Combined rookie CJ+2nd year CJ:
<3ft: 52.5%
3-10ft: 48.5%
10-16ft: 47.5%
16<3pt: 35.4%
3pt: 38.8%
First 6 years of Orlando JJ (taking out his 'breakout' year):
<3ft: 60.6%
3-10ft: 39.7%
10-16ft: 41.8%
16<3pt: 40.2%
3pt: 40.0%
Rookie Buddy:
<3ft: 50.9%
3-10ft: 20.0%
10-16ft: 25.9%
16<3pt: 39.2%
3pt: 36.6%
Becoming Klay is a ceiling
Hitting CJ is pretty much above average
Hitting JJ is average
I'd be fine with something between CJ and JJ
<3ft: 70.0%
3-10ft: 21.7%
10-16ft: 43.4%
16<3pt: 41.4%
3pt: 41.4%
Combined rookie CJ+2nd year CJ:
<3ft: 52.5%
3-10ft: 48.5%
10-16ft: 47.5%
16<3pt: 35.4%
3pt: 38.8%
First 6 years of Orlando JJ (taking out his 'breakout' year):
<3ft: 60.6%
3-10ft: 39.7%
10-16ft: 41.8%
16<3pt: 40.2%
3pt: 40.0%
Rookie Buddy:
<3ft: 50.9%
3-10ft: 20.0%
10-16ft: 25.9%
16<3pt: 39.2%
3pt: 36.6%
Becoming Klay is a ceiling
Hitting CJ is pretty much above average
Hitting JJ is average
I'd be fine with something between CJ and JJ
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/11/17 at 1:39 pm to htran90
Rookie Anthony Morrow:
<3ft: 52.6%
3-10ft: 48.6%
10-16ft: 47.5%
16<3pt: 46.7%
3pt: 46.7%
see how making comparisons based on %s can be a terrible use of statistics?
Hield is doing fine. he's not going to be Thompson. he's not going to be McCollum- he hasnt shown their type of skill set, %s and raw numbers be damned; not all #s are equal.
if he turns into JJ Redick, that's still a very good NBA player. there is no shame in that and acting like it is "average" is just sort of embarrassing
<3ft: 52.6%
3-10ft: 48.6%
10-16ft: 47.5%
16<3pt: 46.7%
3pt: 46.7%
see how making comparisons based on %s can be a terrible use of statistics?
Hield is doing fine. he's not going to be Thompson. he's not going to be McCollum- he hasnt shown their type of skill set, %s and raw numbers be damned; not all #s are equal.
if he turns into JJ Redick, that's still a very good NBA player. there is no shame in that and acting like it is "average" is just sort of embarrassing
Posted on 2/11/17 at 1:59 pm to corndeaux
I completely agree, but the 'potential' I guess is still there.
JJ Reddick or a better version of year 2 Morrow is worthwhile in the big picture. He's going to be a 3rd option at best on this team, 4th if we get a better SF.
JJ Reddick or a better version of year 2 Morrow is worthwhile in the big picture. He's going to be a 3rd option at best on this team, 4th if we get a better SF.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:06 pm to corndeaux
Buddy is clearly having trouble going from THE GUY to being the 3rd-4th option. It's tough. He doesn't really have the "green light" someone like him needs. The staff should be putting him in better positions. You might think "he's playing with Jrue AND AD lately" but I think that's hurting his game and development to an extent. He does need to learn to play with those guys, so they got that right but he should be running the 2nd unit imo to get going. Put him in his comfort zone. You can clearly see the difference between confident Buddy and forcing it Buddy. One thing that really sucks is refs don't give him ANY mother fricking calls and call him for anything on the other end. That's gotta get in your head.
2 examples from last night:
Offensive foul on Rubio - that almost always goes the other way. Rubio didn't give him the space to catch and make a move. That's a foul. I don't care if he extended his arm. He's entitled to that space.
No Call on Fast Break - you very rarely see Buddy get clearly frustrated with the officiating as a rookie (kudos to him) but he was demonstratively pissed after getting whacked on the head for what should have been an And 1.
2 examples from last night:
Offensive foul on Rubio - that almost always goes the other way. Rubio didn't give him the space to catch and make a move. That's a foul. I don't care if he extended his arm. He's entitled to that space.
No Call on Fast Break - you very rarely see Buddy get clearly frustrated with the officiating as a rookie (kudos to him) but he was demonstratively pissed after getting whacked on the head for what should have been an And 1.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:20 pm to ShamelessPel
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I completely agree, but the 'potential' I guess is still there.
JJ Reddick or a better version of year 2 Morrow is worthwhile in the big picture. He's going to be a 3rd option at best on this team, 4th if we get a better SF.
i'm not as bullish on the potential, but that's fair. still room to grow.
quote:
he should be running the 2nd unit imo to get going. Put him in his comfort zone.
eh....i dunno. he's a poor facilitator. some live reps are helpful, but giving him the reins right now seems a little extreme to me. i do get the idea that the season is lost anyway, so why not? same time, bad habits are hard to break. focus on what he does well now, work on the weaknesses over the summer and come back ready to expand for next season.
the Pels really just need more creators/passers. if they're asking Hield to do it over the next few years, they are in trouble. he can develop there, but i seriously doubt he ever gets to a McCollum level. but off ball around willing passers/creators, he can really shine
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:52 pm to corndeaux
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i do get the idea that the season is lost anyway, so why not? same time, bad habits are hard to break.
Right, he's a SG version of Ryno. His main role in the future is using gravity to free up AD/Holiday, his secondary role is needing to be automatic with that mid range jumper, he's pretty good at getting away from defenders and creating his own shot in that area.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 4:47 pm to corndeaux
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eh....i dunno. he's a poor facilitator. some live reps are helpful, but giving him the reins right now seems a little extreme t
He's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be. Frazier and Evans just pound the ball into the ground until it's flat and they've also let Gallo run point who doesn't have near the playmaking ability of Hield.
Point is, it's worth trying at least. You don't know until you try, and our second unit is a bastion of shite anyways.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:21 pm to ShamelessPel
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Point is, it's worth trying at least. You don't know until you try,
I concur.
Moreover, he will get better with practice and experience.
Ideally, someone will mentor him. Or else someone will coach him in the skills and issues.
People are double minded whetherr to tank or try everything to make the 8th or 7th spots.
If you get a decent back up point guard out of it, it would help make it a worthwhile season. Its a big win if he turns out to be able to run plays, run the team, deal with the intensities of the final 48 seconds.
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 2/11/17 at 8:57 pm to corndeaux
He'll never be a on ball type of player like McCollum. He is who he is.. a sharp shooter who is at his best when he is shooting in volume and playing off ball. He may improve his on ball game but I think his bread and butter will always be his off ball game.
He will have a long shelf life in the league but i really want to see him develop and Taylor his game to his strengths. I'd rather him model his off ball game after old Ray Allen/Reggie Miller style.
He will have a long shelf life in the league but i really want to see him develop and Taylor his game to his strengths. I'd rather him model his off ball game after old Ray Allen/Reggie Miller style.
Posted on 2/11/17 at 9:02 pm to ShamelessPel
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He's not nearly as bad as you make him out to be
According to NBA.com, he is in the 16% (.60 PPP) as ball handler in PnR (20% of his possessions). those stats arent perfect or all encompassing, but that fits what I see in those plays and it is awful.
This falls back into the "it's always the coach's fault" column...."Let him do more!!!"----then after predictable problems---- "They aren't giving him enough structure!!!"
Posted on 2/12/17 at 12:32 am to corndeaux
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corndeaux
You're fitting the narrative you want to fit. PnR? Great. Who cares? Of course he's going to suck doing something he's literally doing for the first time his whole life. Evans rarely runs PnR too, even with Davis who shows up top just to be blown off.
I want Buddy to get a Jamal Crawford green light, not master the PG position. They are two entirely different things.
Posted on 2/12/17 at 1:16 am to ShamelessPel
Jamal Crawford shouldn't have a Jamal Crawford green light.
Also, wtf was up with Buddy lighting up the third and early 4th and then never seeing the floor again?
Also, wtf was up with Buddy lighting up the third and early 4th and then never seeing the floor again?
Posted on 2/12/17 at 6:50 am to ShamelessPel
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want Buddy to get a Jamal Crawford green light
So you don't care about PnR, which is the foundation of every NBA offense...You just want Hield to shoot all the time. And play like a guy with some of the best handles/one on one moves in the league
Great plan, coach.
If we're going to make shite up about Hields game, lets go nuts...I want him to be like James Harden
This post was edited on 2/12/17 at 7:02 am
Posted on 2/12/17 at 10:37 am to corndeaux
Yeah corn I'd like a coach who can coach to a player's strength as much as his systems. Guilty.
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