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re: Bill Simmons says a reliable source told him Zion won't be on the Pelicans come Thursday

Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:33 pm to
You seem like an angry little man
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:33 pm to
Im actually laughing while typing these posts lol
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:35 pm to
Then why insult people who engage with your questions? Seems awful petty in my view. Aren’t we both fans of the same team?
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7711 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:36 pm to
I just think it's funny that within 6 months, the narrative has flipped that Zion is an MVP candidate to being worth some dude named Scoot.

That's ridiculous and I'm not a Zion apologist.

Zion has All NBA talent. You don't trade that for a rookie G who can't shoot that well. I don't give a shite how athletic he is.

You can sell me on an Ingram trade but not Zion.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103094 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:37 pm to
Zion’s selling me on trading Zion at this point TBH.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:37 pm to
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Also, the chances we ever win a championship are incredibly close to zero. This obsession with winning one is going to kill this fan base.
If every single decision a franchise makes isn't done so with the ultimate goal of winning a title, that franchise should be sold to someone who will do everything they can to win a title.
quote:

A multi time MVP probably only won it this year because the rest of the league was down.
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:37 pm to
Im not insulting you. You’re taking my responses too personally. Ask yourself do you want Zion to be the next Bill Walton? If your answer is yes- I just we’re on two completely paths on where this franchise should go.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:39 pm to
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Ask yourself do you want Zion to be the next Bill Walton?


How many games did Walton miss due to injury in Portland and LA, BTW?
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:39 pm to
Because he didnt play for those 6 months because of a hamstring injury. Thats huge context. Injuries keep dropping his value. He was a MVP candidate in december. Got injured in January and we never saw him again.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8003 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:39 pm to
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Im not insulting you


quote:

Because using Bill Walton as a comp for Zion is laughable but sure you got an exact comp. Congrats!!


Dude…that’s an insult. All I did was answer your question. Didn’t call for being talked to like that
Posted by BigPerm30
Member since Aug 2011
30763 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:40 pm to
I want a team of dogs that play defense and aren’t superstars. Every time we get one there is nonstop drama and media trading him. It’s exhausting being a small market fan.
Posted by PELsu
Member since Oct 2021
1706 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:40 pm to
Meh, I’m not saying I’m not nervous about trading Zion, but I think it will be the same discussions we have today between Zion and Ja. Or we had way back when we drafted AD but Lillard won rookie of the year.

And while I agree that Zion is other worldly, I don’t think enough is said about how difficult he is to build around. You need a center that is long, can protect the rim, rebounds and can shoot. Aka, a unicorn. You need forwards that can defend, and shoot and possibly help with rebounds. As we’ve seen, even players as great as Jonas and Ingram, and you start to wonder if they can play together if they aren’t elite on defense and shooting. It’s a difficult, maybe impossible, puzzle to solve.
Posted by higgsBoson
Democratic Party
Member since Jan 2012
1592 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:41 pm to
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If every single decision a franchise makes isn't done so with the ultimate goal of winning a title, that franchise should be sold to someone who will do everything they can to win a title.


This is a joke
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:41 pm to
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I want a team of dogs that play defense and aren’t superstars
I want one that wins.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112610 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:41 pm to
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This is a joke
That a loser mentality
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:42 pm to
In his prime he played above 50 games 3 times in an era which was a lot slower than todays.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:43 pm to
Ok im sorry I insulted you. I should have said Bill Walton is a bad comp for Zion. Not laughable because i literally laughed when you brought up Bill Walton.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464622 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:43 pm to
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If every single decision a franchise makes isn't done so with the ultimate goal of winning a title, that franchise should be sold to someone who will do everything they can to win a title.

I have a thread brewing in my head about this.

I'm about ready to throw in the towel for this if Zion/BI can't come through next year and I just want a solid top 4-6 team in the West for a while.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8003 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:44 pm to
You didn’t ask for a comparison, nor did I give one. All you asked was for an example of a chronically injured big man who won a title. I gave you one. In no way is that laughable or a comparison to Zion.

Eta: let’s just leave it at this, for the love of god
This post was edited on 6/19/23 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 6/19/23 at 3:47 pm to
Ok dude relax. I think you’re just looking to combat my point without understanding the bigger argument here about Zions greatness or his ability to win. Yes you answered my question. But Bill Walton isnt someone on this board wants to hear compared to Zion- yes you’re comparing him if you’re talking anout chronic injured big men winning a title. Like I said congrats, I dont know what else you want me to say.
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