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re: BI posts 2 triple doubles (1st 2 in his career) in 3 games - trade him while he's high?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:12 pm to shel311
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:12 pm to shel311
quote:
10/30 - W
11/2 - L
11/28 - W
11/30 - W
12/2 - W
12/4 - W
12/7 - W
12/9 - W
12/11 - W
12/13 - L
12/15 - L
12/17 - L
12/19 - L
12/28 - W
12/30 - W
12/31 - L
1/2 - L
That's this season only.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:29 pm to Pistol44
quote:The Pels are the equivalent of a 48 win team with Zion and no BI, the equivalent of a 36 win team this season with BI and no Zion and were actually a 36 win team all last season with BI and no Zion, and it's due to a bunch of reasons that and none of those reasons are that Zion is simply better than BI?
Shel, this is where your logic always falls apart, basketball is a team game
I don't follow your logic here.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:42 pm to shel311
quote:
I'm using 7 seasons of Ingram, not this season.
I’m using 4 seasons as the Pels. The starting point for both in New Orleans. As he’s added strength and avoided blood clot issues Ingrams has been more available.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:49 pm to shel311
quote:
I don't follow your logic here.
Not surprised, but still hopeful.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:55 pm to Pistol44
quote:In fairness, insinuating that the difference in record is NOT due to Zion simply being better than BI isn't terribly logical, so I'm not sure how you'd expect me to follow your logic if it's illogical.
Not surprised, but still hopeful.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:59 pm to shel311
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NOT due to Zion simply being better than BI isn't terribly logical, so I'm not sure how you'd expect me to follow your logic if it's illogical.
Zion is more physically more talented not more skilled.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:00 pm to shel311
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insinuating that the difference in record is NOT due to Zion simply being better than BI isn't terribly logical
You see, this is what I'm referring to. Your statement above immediately negates your argument. It is a team game that is played over the course of an 82-game schedule, that's not complete. You're attributing wins to one person as if the other 14 team members were no factor (wins or losses) and then make blanket statements.
For example, BI is playing lights out for sure but arguably TM3's ascent and Herb's stellar defense are just as much if not more, a factor in the uptick in team play. Similarly, in the 10-game run during the first half of the season, CJ and Jose were playing lights out (CJ multiple 30-point games and 1 40-burger, Jose all up in CPs head), which certainly did not have anything to do with the wins.
Astute observers on this board have pointed out several factors, such as not having a suitable replacement for Zion at the 4 fly over your head, but most assuredly are factors in their record. The unavailability of both your key players for stretches at the same time could not have lingering effects because as soon as one said player comes back a light switch should magically take effect right? My guy, you can certainly be a prisoner of your narrative but your views are definitely not absolute like you are posturing.
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:02 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Last season we were 36-46 without Zion.
This, of course, is a completely disingenuous take because it reflects what we were when we didn’t have CJ and Larry and Jose had yet to emerge and Trey was pretty much a non factor. (what did we start 3-18??). So if you take away that start they were 33-28 when BI had some talent around him.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:30 pm to LSUgrad88
Brandon Ingram is a top 15 player and a bonafide superstar. Man is only 25 and carrying us to the playoffs. He’s not going anywhere, end of story. I’m very biased but truly believe we have our own unique version of Shaq and Kobe, if we could just get them healthy and on the floor together, it’ll be something special
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:49 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:I didn't mention physical talent or skill in what you quoted, so not sure what you're trying to say.
Zion is more physically more talented not more skilled.
I said Zion is the better player because Zion is clearly the better player. There's a shite ton of data points to point to to show this, one being our record with Zion and no BI be BI and no Zion.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:51 pm to Pistol44
quote:Zion is better than BI, it's not close.
You see, this is what I'm referring to. Your statement above immediately negates your argument. It is a team game that is played over the course of an 82-game schedule, that's not complete. You're attributing wins to one person as if the other 14 team members were no factor (wins or losses) and then make blanket statements.
For example, BI is playing lights out for sure but arguably TM3's ascent and Herb's stellar defense are just as much if not more, a factor in the uptick in team play. Similarly, in the 10-game run during the first half of the season, CJ and Jose were playing lights out (CJ multiple 30-point games and 1 40-burger, Jose all up in CPs head), which certainly did not have anything to do with the wins.
Astute observers on this board have pointed out several factors, such as not having a suitable replacement for Zion at the 4 fly over your head, but most assuredly are factors in their record. The unavailability of both your key players for stretches at the same time could not have lingering effects because as soon as one said player comes back a light switch should magically take effect right? My guy, you can certainly be a prisoner of your narrative but your views are definitely not absolute like you are posturing
No amount of wordy posts will show much of any evidence to support a BI is better than Zion argument, because he's not.
You 2 fellas are making this wayyyyyy more difficult than it should be. One of player is clearly better than the other, for the sake of this specific part of this discussion, that's it. He's better, and that's ok.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 5:53 pm to LSUgrad88
quote:If you take away the losses, you have meir wins, yes.
what did we start 3-18??). So if you take away that start they were 33-28 when BI had some talent around him
Last season we were 36-46 without Zion. That's not "completely disingenuous" it is what we literally were.
Disingenuous is saying if you don't count the worst part of the season and pretend it never happened, we were pretty good.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 6:28 pm to shel311
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You 2 fellas are making this wayyyyyy more difficult than it should be
OK, ill try to make it simple. Your entitled to your own opinion you are not entitled to your own facts.
* Pels were .440 last year w/o Zion, they were .430 the year before with Zion, so by your logic Pels were better w/o Zion …. GTFOH
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 3/31/23 at 6:38 pm to Pistol44
quote:
OK, ill try to make it simple. Your entitled to your own opinion you are not entitled to your own facts
Dude is just wanting to argue with people at this point. Let him wear himself out
Posted on 3/31/23 at 6:52 pm to ghost2most
quote:
and I do wonder if Willie will ever be good enough to go head to head with a good NBA coach.
This is another huge issue
Posted on 3/31/23 at 8:48 pm to shel311
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Disingenuous is saying if you don't count the worst part of the season and pretend it never happened, we were pretty good.
No, as I said, disingenuous is acting like what Zion did with CJ, Larry, a contributing Jose and a contributing Trey is equivalent to what BI had to do without any of that. But you know that. Only a complete idiot wouldn’t. You’re not that, you just can’t admit when you’re wrong, which you are here. It’s who you are. Everybody here knows it.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:18 pm to shel311
quote:
Zion is better than BI, it's not close. No amount of wordy posts will show much of any evidence to support a BI is better than Zion argument, because he's not. You 2 fellas are making this wayyyyyy more difficult than it should be. One of player is clearly better than the other, for the sake of this specific part of this discussion, that's it. He's better, and that's ok.
He’s also far more injury prone. Which means he’s a worse investment. And that’s okay.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 9:33 pm to jptiger2009
Are you high?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 11:49 pm to Pistol44
quote:Zion is better than BI, not much more to it. You can disagree, you'll be wrong. Again, that's ok. But it's painfully obvious that Zion is much better than BI.
OK, ill try to make it simple. Your entitled to your own opinion you are not entitled to your own facts.
quote:BI played that season too, so...
* Pels were .440 last year w/o Zion, they were .430 the year before with Zion, so by your logic Pels were better w/o Zion …. GTFOH
Posted on 3/31/23 at 11:50 pm to Jester
quote:Wait, you also don't think Zion is better than BI?
Dude is just wanting to argue with people at this point. Let him wear himself out
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