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re: Aug 6th BI Deadline
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:35 pm to ThePistol
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:35 pm to ThePistol
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You are 100% right, Zion can't shoot. That means the number 2 on the team absolutely has to shoot 3's. BI simply does not do that.
Middleton shot the 3 as much as BI, and they won a championship.
Zion/BI are very similar to Giannis/Middleton as far as offensive type of player goes. It really helps when your 7' center takes 4.0 3's per game and your backup takes 2.4.
Our center position has never shot 3's. That's been a big problem for us. JV and Larry took 2.5 combined.
I'm not saying BI doesn't need to take more 3's, b/c he does, but him taking 2 more 3's a game is a reasonable ask, and doable with a PG i think. But it won't help us much if we still have 48 minutes being played at the 5 and under 3 attempts per game from that position. That works fine if you have a 4 that shoots them, but if Zion isnt' shooting them, then the 5 needs to.
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:37 pm to ThePistol
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we have to play a center who is a fringe NBA player at best.
Who was Warriors starting Center in their championship runs? Pels don’t need a marquee post, just stout in the paint, solid picker and able to move their feet. For Pels signaled style of play, its minimally a wash from last year’s pivots.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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So to be clear, if BI doesn't sign an extension today, then that's it, he's an UFA at the end of the season?
Or is the August 6th deadline being said b/c if he doesn't sign today he can't be traded this year?
I can't find anythign that says the deadline for his extension is today.
The deadline on extensions is right before the season starts in October. The deadline today is where he could sign an extension and be included in a trade before the deadline. I still don't think Ingram signs an extension, but if he were to accept whatever Griff is offering before the season, I think Griff would sign him and assume it makes him more tradeable next offseason.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:48 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I agree with you on that. CJ is better off ball. I just dont like when people are stating things that never happened
You are acting like CJ wants to play PG and change his game after a season of talking about the difficulties and challenges of doing so.
Tell me where CJ states he wants to play PG and that's where he should be. He literally didn't have a choice until we acquired a real starting PG.
"Idk it really irks me that the guy suggested CJ wants to play his natural position instead of being forced to play PG"
Does anyone else in the world actually think CJ wants to play PG instead of SG with Murray beside him?
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 2:56 pm to Dantheman504
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You are acting like CJ wants to play PG and change his game after a season of talking about the difficulties and challenges of doing so. Tell me where CJ states he wants to play PG and that's where he should be. He literally didn't have a choice until we acquired a real starting PG. "Idk it really irks me that the guy suggested CJ wants to play his natural position instead of being forced to play PG" Does anyone else in the world actually think CJ wants to play PG instead of SG with Murray beside him?
All I said was CJ NEVER stated he wanted or needed a point guard. You stated he did. Just say you screwed up and shouldn’t have posted he said that. This is where you lose people. You double down on something he never stated once to anybody. You’re getting mad because you posted a factually false statement and were called out on it.
By the way I believe CJ is better off ball and despite not having a point guard he statistically had one of his better seasons.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
come in here thinking we got info and its 6 pages of the same people arguing in circles lol
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:52 pm to ThePistol
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This is your issue. You look at BI as Zion's equal. Zion has the talent to be the main guy on a team, BI does not. They tried to build around BI. They made him the focal point to start the season, they put him front and center in team murals, they announced him last in the starting lineup. But then, it became obvious that he isn't that guy and Zion is. (They should have known this from day one but that isn't the point here.) This team has to build around Zion. BI does not fit that build. It is that simple. Every day that he is on this team is one more day that this team loses at trying to build an optimal roster around it's best player.
Bottom line...wake me up when BI is gone. Can't take the Pelicans seriously...until this happens. (And yes...I understand nobody else wants
the guy...but he's still got to go...one way or the other)
Posted on 8/6/24 at 3:59 pm to Pistol44
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Who was Warriors starting Center in their championship runs?
Show me the Steph-approximation on our roster and your comparison will be reasonable.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:01 pm to Pels_Yaz
Wait, when did CJ play point guard? Other than starting with 4 bigger players, how was he a PG? He hardly ever initiated the offense or guarded the opponents point.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:05 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Bottom line...wake me up when BI is gone. Can't take the Pelicans seriously...until this happens. (And yes...I understand nobody else wants
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:07 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Did CJ actually say this? I know BI did but don’t remember CJ asking for a point guard.
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All I said was CJ NEVER stated he wanted or needed a point guard. You stated he did. Just say you screwed up and shouldn’t have posted he said that.
You actually phrased it as a question which made me think that you live in a world where CJ wants to play PG instead of off ball.
CJ who was asked to play PG by our FO on a new team with new fans did not publicly say "im not a point guard, i don't want to be a point guard, the Pelicans really need a starting point guard not named me".
Can you see how that makes sense to media personnel/ fans and why he wouldn't publicly talk about all that WHILE we are trying to make it work?
I believe he has praised the Murray trade and made comments on that as well.
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Just say you screwed up and shouldn’t have posted he said that
What are you gonna do, tell my mom?
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:08 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Wait, when did CJ play point guard? Other than starting with 4 bigger players, how was he a PG?
I think there may have been times with BI or Zion injured he might have but this is more something more the other poster is arguing. I also don’t think he was asking for a point guard either. I’ll say again CJ had a surprisingly really good season last year.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:09 pm to Pels_Yaz
So shams reporting he wants 45-50 mil per year…yeah kick rocks
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:13 pm to Dantheman504
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You actually phrased it as a question which made me think that you live in a world where CJ wants to play PG instead of off ball.
Huh? I asked when did CJ ever say they needed a point but ok.
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CJ who was asked to play PG by our FO on a new team with new fans did not publicly say "im not a point guard, i don't want to be a point guard, the Pelicans really need a starting point guard not named me".
What the hell are you saying? Why does it matter what CJ didn’t say?
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I believe he has praised the Murray trade and made comments on that as well.
Everyone on the team had praised the trade that doesn’t mean CJ was asking for a point guard. Again you’re putting words and things in his mouth that hes not saying or stating.
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What are you gonna do, tell my mom?
She probably knows that you blatantly lie and don’t even acknowledge it.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:17 pm to J_Hingle
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So shams reporting he wants 45-50 mil per year…yeah kick rocks
Yeah I don’t understand how we don’t trade him. We’re putting out statements that we want him and he wants to be here. But both sides aren’t budging on an extension- sounds like bullshite Griff is putting out. If he wants to be here- lower your number and sign. Its that easy.
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:20 pm to J_Hingle
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So shams reporting he wants 45-50 mil per year…yeah kick rocks
BI at an average of 45mil is not that bad. Y'all are trying to base BI's deal off the worst possible BI you can envision in your head.
42/44/46/48 extension is not end of the world. I can promise than in (4) years there will be way worse contracts that BI @46mil. Especially when some players will be dipping into the 60's and others will be overpaid into the high 30's/ low 40's.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:25 pm to Dantheman504
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BI at an average of 45mil is not that bad. Y'all are trying to base BI's deal off the worst possible BI you can envision in your head.
Obviously Griffin doesn’t even agree with you otherwise he would have signed BI. I mean the whole NBA doesn’t agree with you here. But yeah its not “that bad.”
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:25 pm to Pels_Yaz
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Again you’re putting words and things in his mouth
I'm not trying to put anything in his mouth.. weirdo.
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What are you gonna do, tell my mom?
She probably knows that you blatantly lie and don’t even acknowledge it.
No she doesn't! Take it back!
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:27 pm to Dantheman504
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I can promise than in (4) years there will be way worse contracts that BI @46mil. Especially when some players will be dipping into the 60's and others will be overpaid into the high 30's/ low 40's.
Yeah for sure in 4 years the contract wouldn’t seem to be that bad lol. But right now, it’s bad. He’s not worth it, we know it, pelicans know it, the league knows it
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:42 pm to J_Hingle
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But right now, it’s bad
Value is on the life of the contract. There will be a robust market at the deadline for a number of Pels. Always teams thinking they’re one player away from the brass ring. Unless the team tanks (unlikely) Griff could be in the catbird seat come February.
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