Anyone blaming BI for yesterday’s loss didn’t watch the fourth quarter

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while having to work hard as frick on offense because Willie is a bad play caller.

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Our offensive sets are definitely simple and predictable, bit BI and CJ don't even run them half the time..

Once they get the ball it's ISO time and they're probably going to put up a contested fadeaway from 15+ feet

What's more annoying is that our own players know this too and STILL stand around the 3pt line expecting Jonas to outrebound 2 or 3 guys

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We shouldn’t have taken Jonas out when we cut lead from double didgets to 6

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That was the killer


Poetl wasn't doing much on the offensive boards. Jval came out, Poetl grabbed every offensive board. Jval came back in, Poetl stopped grabbing offensive boards.

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Do we want to discuss his play the 1st 44 ish minutes of the game? It was...not terribly good to put it nicely.

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Seriously. Had they won he certainly would have deserved the credit, but his turnovers were absolutely unacceptably lazy play. Especially, obviously, the one to CJ at a crucial moment.

This team lost last night because of guys like CJ and BI not doing a damn thing on defense and rebounding in particular. You bring a guy in like nance to help defensively on the perimeter, problem is guys like CJ just allowing the switch and doing absolutely nothing after that. Literally would just stand around and watch the ball off the rim while poelti or whatever the frick his name is grab 20 rebounds.

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With that said, I wasn't a fan of Richardson starting, Willie's rotations (especially late), and the gameplan of having Herb stand in the corner and shoot air balls from three.

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Herb is really a massive negative and every team has figured this out except for the Pels. The fanbase also likes to back him up probably because he is incredibly likable and a 2nd round pick but he is not a good player other than when a defensive stopper is needed. He is like a late innings SS replacement but he is getting penciled into the lineup game after game.

Agreed, he is also a terrible offensive player that opposing teams decide to leave open for good reason. As a result, they are playing 4 v 5 on offense.

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You get away with it when you have Zion generating paint points at a 60% clip, but leaning into a rotation of wings who don’t shoot well hasnt been very productive either and I don’t even want to see how bad the defense can get w/o Herb. CJ, BI, TM3, Naji with Val//Nance at the 5 ……

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Mercy...people are goin' kinda nutz aren't they? I luv reading all the suggestions.

I don't think most folks have any idea just how valuable WG & the FO think Herb Jones truly is to this team. Herb might be sent to the Squadron tonight & never be heard from again...but jmo...I could see ANYBODY on this team being traded at the moment...except for Zion...before the Pels would move Herb, barring some insane offer from some team for whom Herb might be a perfect fit.

Might as well go all the way out on this limb while I'm at it by saying I've NEVER been that high on BI. He's overpaid, has probably already reached his ceiling and has a terrible game for today's NBA. I can't see him being with the Pels much longer, assuming Zion sticks & becomes what we think he can become. I know I've already said it "early & often"...but I'd still rather have Bridges on this team than BI...and I'd go for an even swap on those 2 TODAY, if I could. Folks that don't agree with me...probably will...by the end of this season or next year at the latest. The Bridges boat has probably already sailed & he's only gonna get better & better...but ya never know, we might get another shot at him.

BI and Zion are the Pels primary scorers/playmakers. I believe one or the other being unavailable puts an unsustainable physical burden on the other with only CJ available as a consistent alternate scorer, albeit less as a playmaker. Pels have a big hole at the 4 and for some odd reason have attempted to patch it with welterweight wings who are neither consistent shooters or playmakers, and additionally compromise an already flawed post (inmobile or undersized) making offense more difficult than it already is.

The Jazz exposed this flaw early in the season and teams have exploited it since. Pels stayed afloat during the first half of the season, although still losing to better teams, until they ran Nance defensively and big husky offensively into the ground. Also losing Dyson, who shows promise as a playmaker, didn’t help matters.

I expect the Pels will somewhat right the ship against the upcoming weaker competition but the huge flaw (lack of defensive paint presence ) may hold them back from staying out of the play-in. I’d much rather the team to have leaned into (or at least tried) a bigger and more stout frontcourt (combo Val, Nance, Hayes/Billy) while Zion is out and control tempo and the glass than trying to upsize smallish wings (< 220lbs) that don’t play-make, rebound, or shoot exceptionally well in an attempt to switch everything.

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Might as well go all the way out on this limb while I'm at it by saying I've NEVER been that high on BI.

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I'm the resident Ingram hater on the board. I'm not going to let you steal my title.

He is a solid player though and can be great at moments. He carried us to the playin last year and really proved a lot to me. That was his team though. It was all focused around him. It can work that way, to an extent. The organization is committed to Zion though. So, he will always by an odd man out in a way.