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Anderson the enigma
Posted on 4/27/13 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 4/27/13 at 9:07 pm
I have been thinking this over for awhile and I still can't understand the devotion that Ryan Anderson gets or why people are so opposed to trading him away. While he is a very unique and skilled player, he is also very limited and plays the same position as the future of the franchise. For example, let's say the Lakers traded for Howard, but still had Bynum, wouldn't they trade Bynum to fill other needs? It's not possible to play them both at the same, so why play one limited time?
There are those here that are going to fight this and say that Anderson is a valuable bench player. But he makes 9m a year and plays better as a starter. He also isn't flexible enough to play SF or C for any significant time. His 3pt shooting is great to open the lane, but this usually benefits front court players. He also takes an absurd number of 3pt shots and isn't extremely efficient (out of the top 40 in the league in %).
I've tried to think about some options that might make the situation workable:
1. Move Anderson to SF- For whatever reason, this option was never explored this season. Anderson is too slow to cover most SFs, so he would be a liability here (combined with Vasquez's defense, would make the team a sieve). But would fill a big team need if he can make it work.
2. Move Anderson to C- Like Matt Bonner, he can get by with hustle and positioning. He would need to cut down his 3pt attempts and concentrate more on rebounding, but he could be passable. He would need to bulk up though.
3. Keep Anderson at PF- Davis would have to move to C. Davis is still too light and injury prone for a full time move, but maybe with the help of PEDS...
4. Leave Anderson on the bench- This is a horrible option IMO. Anderson's growth stalled this season and his value is going to start to drop. Also, I hate that he takes minutes from Davis.
5. Trade Anderson- The team has a big hole at SF, could use upgrades at C and PG and who knows what's going to happen at SG. Trading Anderson can accomplish one of these goals. If they can get value, this is the best option.
To sum up, it was great they picked up Anderson for this past season. He was cheap to pick up and put up some nice numbers. He helped give Davis an easier transitiion and fill in when Davis got hurt. But it's time to flip the asset. Btw, I know, this is long, but I wanted to get this out there.
There are those here that are going to fight this and say that Anderson is a valuable bench player. But he makes 9m a year and plays better as a starter. He also isn't flexible enough to play SF or C for any significant time. His 3pt shooting is great to open the lane, but this usually benefits front court players. He also takes an absurd number of 3pt shots and isn't extremely efficient (out of the top 40 in the league in %).
I've tried to think about some options that might make the situation workable:
1. Move Anderson to SF- For whatever reason, this option was never explored this season. Anderson is too slow to cover most SFs, so he would be a liability here (combined with Vasquez's defense, would make the team a sieve). But would fill a big team need if he can make it work.
2. Move Anderson to C- Like Matt Bonner, he can get by with hustle and positioning. He would need to cut down his 3pt attempts and concentrate more on rebounding, but he could be passable. He would need to bulk up though.
3. Keep Anderson at PF- Davis would have to move to C. Davis is still too light and injury prone for a full time move, but maybe with the help of PEDS...
4. Leave Anderson on the bench- This is a horrible option IMO. Anderson's growth stalled this season and his value is going to start to drop. Also, I hate that he takes minutes from Davis.
5. Trade Anderson- The team has a big hole at SF, could use upgrades at C and PG and who knows what's going to happen at SG. Trading Anderson can accomplish one of these goals. If they can get value, this is the best option.
To sum up, it was great they picked up Anderson for this past season. He was cheap to pick up and put up some nice numbers. He helped give Davis an easier transitiion and fill in when Davis got hurt. But it's time to flip the asset. Btw, I know, this is long, but I wanted to get this out there.
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Posted on 4/27/13 at 9:22 pm to brmark70816
Duck
This post was edited on 4/27/13 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 4/27/13 at 9:33 pm to eyeran
Ehh just trying to get some talk or debate going. I think it's unfair that Vasquez gets so much hate on here, but Anderson gets a free pass. Even though Anderson is just as bad of a defender and makes over 6x more than Vasquez..
Posted on 4/27/13 at 9:37 pm to brmark70816
He gets a ton of love for shooting 38% from 3, 47th in the league. I've never understand people wanting to carve how we develop AD around getting Anderson more minutes. i.e. moving Davis to center so Anderson could play more
Bye now, good luck!!!
Bye now, good luck!!!
This post was edited on 4/27/13 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/27/13 at 9:55 pm to eyeran
quote:
i.e. moving Davis to center so Anderson could play more
Amen. I was opposed to picking up Anderson from the beginning. We already had a good back-up PF in Landry and Ayon had good chemistry with Vasquez. So they traded away Ayon and let Landry walk. If you compare Anderson to Landry this year..
Anderson-
30.9 mpg, 16.2 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.2 apg, 18.2 PER
Landry-
23.2 mpg, 10.8 ppg, 6.0 rgp, .80 apg, 17.6 PER
Anderson makes 9m a year, Landry makes 4m. Did we really upgrade that much?
Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:01 pm to eyeran
He's better than Landry and more versatile than Orlando folks lead us to believe.
I just don't think anybody should get in the way of AD's development as a PF. He didn't make it through the season as it was, we shouldn't be fooling around with him at center simply to get Anderson on the court.
Im fine with Ryno being our longterm 6th man, he's really valuable there. Just don't screw with AD
I just don't think anybody should get in the way of AD's development as a PF. He didn't make it through the season as it was, we shouldn't be fooling around with him at center simply to get Anderson on the court.
Im fine with Ryno being our longterm 6th man, he's really valuable there. Just don't screw with AD
This post was edited on 4/27/13 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/27/13 at 10:04 pm to brmark70816
Anderson and Davis still both played around 30 minutes a game this year. If anything, those two took away more minutes from Lopez.
I think we was forced to shoot too much this year because our 2nd team is so bad outside of him. With improved bench play next year, he won't have to be our only option with the starters off the floor.
I think we was forced to shoot too much this year because our 2nd team is so bad outside of him. With improved bench play next year, he won't have to be our only option with the starters off the floor.
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:07 pm to brmark70816
For me, watching the first month to 3 of the season, not only did Ryan jump off my screen as the best on our team, but also on most nights, the best on the floor. He was knocking down 3's and also showed me something when he put the ball on the floor and got his own shot.
After the break, he started to come down to earth. He was struggling on his shot, and thus we started to be more cognizant of his troubles on defense.
I think most fans want to give him the benefit of the doubt and think going forward if we put some shooters with him, we will see pre all-star break Ryan. I'm kinda that way.
He had the greenest of lights last season. They weren't falling for him late in the season, and his defense sucked.
I guess it's like anyone, save AD. No one is untouchable given the right deal.
After the break, he started to come down to earth. He was struggling on his shot, and thus we started to be more cognizant of his troubles on defense.
I think most fans want to give him the benefit of the doubt and think going forward if we put some shooters with him, we will see pre all-star break Ryan. I'm kinda that way.
He had the greenest of lights last season. They weren't falling for him late in the season, and his defense sucked.
I guess it's like anyone, save AD. No one is untouchable given the right deal.
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:20 pm to eyeran
quote:
He gets a ton of love for shooting 38% from 3, 47th in the league.
meh.
He's definitely out of his ideal role right now....He was basically the #1 offensive option on the team this season.
He'll shoot much better percentages if Gordon shows up and Davis keeps improving offensively.
...not to mention he took 560 threes. With the exception of Curry and his ridiculous season, you don't see guys shooting that great with all those attempts.
Who cares if guys like Mike Miller and Willie Green shooting around 150 threes (mostly wide open) shoot a better percentage than Anderson. Are they better shooters? Are they more valuable? No chance in hell.
Some of the 46 guys in front of Anderson in 3 PT% (attempts in parentheses):
Ilyasova (214)
Nash (130)
Willie Green (166)
Chris Copeland (140)
Steve Blake (171)
Mike Miller (175)
Jimmer Fredette (156)
Roger Mason Jr. (159)
Gordon Hayward (246)
CJ Watson (214)
Mario Chalmers (301)--easiest job in the league
Lebron James (254)
Jarrett Jack (203)
Cartier Martin (146)
Quincy Pondexter (152)
Wayne Ellington (240)
Jared Dudley (271)
Kirk Hinrich (182)
Brian Roberts (153)
Jeff Green (182)
...Of the top 10 in 3PT attempts, Anderson is #3 in 3PT%.
Anderson's a scorer...He shouldn't really be lumped in with some of the scrubs in the list above. If they took as many attempts or saw the defensive attention he sees, the numbers would tell a different story.
Also, he's a PF....good three point shooting at that position is a rarer skill and more valuable. He's #4 in 3PT% among PFs, and again, Jeff Green and Cartier Martin barely count.
This post was edited on 4/27/13 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:38 pm to drake20
quote:Doubtful
He'll shoot much better percentages if Gordon shows up and Davis keeps improving offensively.
He's basically been the exact same player all 5 years in the league, his minutes just increased.
He's a career 38% 3 pt shooter, thats with Dwight Howard drawing double teams and getting him wide open shots. He shot 38% this year.
This is who he is, which is fine.
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:45 pm to brmark70816
I'm ok with him as a 6th man. He scores well enough to justify his salary even off the bench and solid bench scoring that's good enough to play with the starters is what most contenders have. I wouldn't say he's untradeable but I'd only trade him as part of an upgrade like the proposed Kevin Love trades.
Posted on 4/27/13 at 11:45 pm to brmark70816
IMO, he was called on to do too much. We had shitty scoring from the starting five. I think if we get five legit starters with three of them being legit scorers, Anderson's performance as a sixth man off of the bench will be what we expected.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:07 am to VOR
quote:
Anderson's role off of the performance a sixth man will be what we expected.
Was he brought here to be a 6th man? I didn't understand why they traded for him (other than it was a trade rape that Dell couldn't resist), but I figured they were coming up with some revolutionary role where he started every game or revolved in all 3 frontcourt positions, taking advantage of mismatches. No team gives a guy 9m a year to be a 6th man. J. Crawford only got 5m..
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:40 am to eyeran
quote:
Doubtful
He's basically been the exact same player all 5 years in the league, his minutes just increased.
He's a career 38% 3 pt shooter, thats with Dwight Howard drawing double teams and getting him wide open shots. He shot 38% this year.
This is who he is, which is fine.
..So he improved a lot this year because he shot the same percentage without all those wide open shots created by Howard?
again, the main points were that he takes 6 threes a game, was the main offensive option, and is a PF.
run through that list of 47...how many of them are you or are GMs gonna take over Anderson?
maybe 8?...and 4 are Lebron, Durant, Irving, and Curry
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 1:51 am
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:49 am to brmark70816
Anserson isnt untouchable but
quote]some revolutionary role[/quote]
Anderson as a stretch 4 is revolutionary.
Posted this in the other thread with the same Anderson comment, but there have been only 25 guys in NBA history to take over 6 3s/game and hit over 38%. Anderson has done it twice. Other repeaters- Ray Allen, Peja, Rashard Lewis. Steph Curry amd Klay Thompson did it this year as well. People here blow their load over getting Thompson. We have him as a PF right now
That is silly. Anderson plays starter minutes. Have the Spurs been upset paying Manu tens of millions to be just a sixth man?
Anderson/Davis offensively is a perfect fit. He opens everything up for Davis. Defensively is a question, but Anderson is not as bad as Vasquez defensively. And judging the pair on rookie year Davis is just bizarre.
quote]some revolutionary role[/quote]
Anderson as a stretch 4 is revolutionary.
Posted this in the other thread with the same Anderson comment, but there have been only 25 guys in NBA history to take over 6 3s/game and hit over 38%. Anderson has done it twice. Other repeaters- Ray Allen, Peja, Rashard Lewis. Steph Curry amd Klay Thompson did it this year as well. People here blow their load over getting Thompson. We have him as a PF right now
quote:
No team gives a guy 9m a year to be a 6th man
That is silly. Anderson plays starter minutes. Have the Spurs been upset paying Manu tens of millions to be just a sixth man?
Anderson/Davis offensively is a perfect fit. He opens everything up for Davis. Defensively is a question, but Anderson is not as bad as Vasquez defensively. And judging the pair on rookie year Davis is just bizarre.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:53 am to corndeaux
agreed...the fact that he's a PF with that many attempts and those percentages is a game-changer.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 5:18 am
Posted on 4/28/13 at 5:27 am to brmark70816
Love me some ryno..defensive production is left to be desired for sure though 
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:32 am to brmark70816
quote:
Was he brought here to be a 6th man?
corndeaux's post above beat me to it. a "sixth man" can be one of your 3 or 4 most valuable players.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 9:54 am to corndeaux
quote:
Have the Spurs been upset paying Manu tens of millions to be just a sixth man?
This is exactly what I was thinking of
Posted on 4/28/13 at 10:52 am to Cap Crunch
quote:
This is exactly what I was thinking of
I don't care for that comparison or think it fits. Manu hasn't started mainly because of injury and they want to limit his minutes because he is fragile. The players he has backed up are lesser players (Jackson, Barry, Mason, Green), who are specialists. But no one questions who the position really belongs to or who is going to finish the game. Manu is also extremely versatile, can play any of the backcourt positions and is a great defender. I think it's a reach to compare the two..
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