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Why doesn’t Dokken get more love?
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:19 pm
I’ve been a big fan of 80’s hard rock/metal for many years, and one of my favorite bands from that era is Dokken. When I first heard them, I was blown away. George Lynch is such a brilliant guitar player, his solos still give me goosebumps to this day. Don Dokken’s melodic voice, and the rock solid rhythm section of Jeff Pilson and Wild Mick Brown blended perfectly with Lynch’s guitar work.
My question today is why isn’t Dokken mentioned in the same breath as bands like Motley Crue, Poison, and Def Leppard? Those three aforementioned bands still play stadium shows and all these years later, are talked about and given praise. In my opinion, Dokken blows Crue and Poison out of the water, and stayed true to their roots while Def Leppard and Bon Jovi went into the pop rock category.
Ask anybody in their 20’s and 30’s, most will probably have never heard of Dokken, while a lot of them will have heard of Motley Crue, for example.
They had great songs, great musicians… why don’t people remember them the way they deserve?
My question today is why isn’t Dokken mentioned in the same breath as bands like Motley Crue, Poison, and Def Leppard? Those three aforementioned bands still play stadium shows and all these years later, are talked about and given praise. In my opinion, Dokken blows Crue and Poison out of the water, and stayed true to their roots while Def Leppard and Bon Jovi went into the pop rock category.
Ask anybody in their 20’s and 30’s, most will probably have never heard of Dokken, while a lot of them will have heard of Motley Crue, for example.
They had great songs, great musicians… why don’t people remember them the way they deserve?
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 5:25 pm
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Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:32 pm to SaintlyTiger88
My older brother was a massive Dokken fan during their prime. As such, I heard a lot of Dokken back in the day and still hold them in high regard. They’re easily as good as the other bands you named. It’s surprising that their participation in A Nightmare on Elm Street 3 didn’t propel them further. Anyways, I’ll always have a soft spot for them and still listen, from time to time.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:50 pm to SaintlyTiger88
As a metal, hair and otherwise, teen of the’80’s, I never got into Dokken. I can’t explain why. It’s not that I didn’t like the Dokken songs I heard, I just never pursued them.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 5:53 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Oh, they got plenty of "love" during the 80s
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:24 pm to SaintlyTiger88
I love them. Back for the Attack is still amazing & George Lynch is a legend. One of the main things that held them back from crossing over to more fans was they put out the worst videos of any band from that era. They basically broke up after having to play after Metallica on the big Monsters of Rock tour that Van Halen headlined & couldn't follow them. Don even admitted they begged Management to put them on before Metallica but they refused. Don & George were always mad at each other.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:43 pm to Hoodie
"In My Dreams" is still a banger.
Nightmare on Elm Street didn't wind up doing shite for these guys, either, unfortunately:
Vinnie Vincent Invasion - "Love Kills"
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It’s surprising that their participation in A Nightmare on Elm Street 3 didn’t propel them further.
Nightmare on Elm Street didn't wind up doing shite for these guys, either, unfortunately:
Vinnie Vincent Invasion - "Love Kills"
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:46 pm to Hetfield
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One of the main things that held them back from crossing over to more fans was they put out the worst videos of any band from that era
IMO, the video for “Dream Warriors” is pretty badass. But I hear you though. The video for “Burning Like a Flame” is pretty funny lol
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:48 pm to shutterspeed
I love that song. I remember seeing the video for Love Kills on Vh1 classic many years ago, and absolutely fell in love with that song. Such a haunting tune.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 6:53 pm to Hetfield
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I love them. Back for the Attack is still amazing
Agreed! Back For The Attack has some unbelievable riffing; guitar work is really amazing. Solid production. Fantastic album! Not a weak song on the album.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:07 pm to tigermeat
Agreed! Back For The Attack has some unbelievable riffing; guitar work is really amazing. Solid production. Fantastic album! Not a weak song on the album.
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It's one of the most underrated albums of the entire 80's hair glam genre that gets overlooked. I think the 2 worst songs on the albums were the first 2 songs released as singles. Burning like a Flame(up there for one of the worst videos ever) & Dream Warriors(completely written for the movie).
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It's one of the most underrated albums of the entire 80's hair glam genre that gets overlooked. I think the 2 worst songs on the albums were the first 2 songs released as singles. Burning like a Flame(up there for one of the worst videos ever) & Dream Warriors(completely written for the movie).
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:19 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Really good band. A lot of those bands at the tail-end of the genre kinda got a raw deal when grunge took over.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:26 pm to kingbob
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A lot of those bands at the tail-end of the genre kinda got a raw deal when grunge took over.
Nah, they got exactly what they signed up for.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:39 pm to Hetfield
There was never a shortage of Dokken love in my social or guitar playing circles. Those first five Dokken albums and those first two Lynch Mob albums practically taught me how to play hard rock guitar. I can't go a month without spinning one in the workshop as I work.
Me and a pal - one of my guitar idols actually - at NAMM three years ago ...
Playing my old ESP Strat at the Dallas vintage show in 2018. He was very complimentary of the refret, reprofile and the Danish oil refinish work I did on its neck.
Me and a pal - one of my guitar idols actually - at NAMM three years ago ...
Playing my old ESP Strat at the Dallas vintage show in 2018. He was very complimentary of the refret, reprofile and the Danish oil refinish work I did on its neck.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 7:43 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:Eh. They had only 3-4 really goods ones, IMO. On top of that, they never really had any breakthrough hits that even out-of-genre people will have heard. Zero.
They had great songs
And they had no band chemistry. Quite the opposite - they were always in some dispute with each other or another.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
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And they had no band chemistry. Quite the opposite - they were always in some dispute with each other or another.
I would submit that band friction can actually produce some great music. A lot of bands have had members who didn’t get along (like Lynch and Dokken) but were able to connect musically.
True, Dokken didn’t have the hits of Crue and Poison, but I feel like their music holds up a lot better. They never had a huge hit that got a ton of airplay/MTV play, but I still feel like they had a lot of memorable songs nonetheless.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:19 pm to SaintlyTiger88
quote:I know what you mean, but with those other bands, they at least had an original connection. Lynch and Dokken essentially were just a corporate relationship that never had any organic roots. Steven Adler went to high school with Slash.
I would submit that band friction can actually produce some great music. A lot of bands have had members who didn’t get along (like Lynch and Dokken) but were able to connect musically.
quote:I'm the opposite. I think a lot of their stuff sounds cheesy as shite.
but I feel like their music holds up a lot better
Here's actually my entire list:
Alone Again
Mr. Scary (live)
Dream Warriors
I struggle to add a 4th.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:33 pm to TheFretShack
quote:..so without Ice Cube, there would be no Fretshak..
and those first two Lynch Mob albums
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
with those other bands, they at least had an original connection. Lynch and Dokken essentially were just a corporate relationship that never had any organic roots. Steven Adler went to high school with Slash.
George Lynch and Mick Brown were playing together in Hollywood-based The Boyz beginning in 1975. That evolved into the two of them playing in Xciter, who played the LA area club circuit in the late 70s alongside then-unsigned Van Halen and early Rhoads-era Quiet Riot.
George Lynch and Mick Brown were playing together in Hollywood-based The Boyz beginning in 1975. That evolved into the two of them playing in Xciter, who played the LA area club circuit in the late 70s alongside then-unsigned Van Halen and early Rhoads-era Quiet Riot.
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:39 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Interview with Kelly Keeling from Dokken and Lynch mob:
“Sometimes I Feel Like The Child Of An Ex-Married Couple”
As he gets ready to go out on the road with George Lynch, vocalist Kelly Keeling spoke with The Hairball John Radio Show regarding his recent solo disc, Giving Sight To The Eye, as well as his relationships with Don Dokken, John Sykes, and George Lynch.
Kelly Keeling : “I really enjoy playing with George and that band. We know the songs and we go out for two weeks or six or whatever. The first tour we only had two days break in six weeks which is nuts for a singer, but I enjoyed it. The crowds are always very supportive and I get to meet people that I have known throughout the years of playing and touring. It’s a lot of fun ”
Hairball John: “Kelly, I know that you are also close friends with Don Dokken and the longstanding feud between Don and George is no secret. Do you find it hard to be in the middle and maintain friendships with both of them?”
Kelly Keeling: “Sometimes I kind of feel like the child of the ex-married couple. Sometimes I hear about things that they say and I have to say ‘stop, I’m both of your friends, so quit it’.”
Hairball John: “Another project that you were a part of was BLUE MURDER, with John Sykes, and I understand that there were some hard feelings that came out of that.”
Kelly Keeling: “That was a two year fiasco. You know, we were best friends for two years and at the end (John) starts going over my vocals so I left the band. But he is a wonderful person, great friend, great songwriter, great musician and I have nothing but good things to say about him.”
Listen to the entire interview with Kelly Keeling at
LINK /
“Sometimes I Feel Like The Child Of An Ex-Married Couple”
As he gets ready to go out on the road with George Lynch, vocalist Kelly Keeling spoke with The Hairball John Radio Show regarding his recent solo disc, Giving Sight To The Eye, as well as his relationships with Don Dokken, John Sykes, and George Lynch.
Kelly Keeling : “I really enjoy playing with George and that band. We know the songs and we go out for two weeks or six or whatever. The first tour we only had two days break in six weeks which is nuts for a singer, but I enjoyed it. The crowds are always very supportive and I get to meet people that I have known throughout the years of playing and touring. It’s a lot of fun ”
Hairball John: “Kelly, I know that you are also close friends with Don Dokken and the longstanding feud between Don and George is no secret. Do you find it hard to be in the middle and maintain friendships with both of them?”
Kelly Keeling: “Sometimes I kind of feel like the child of the ex-married couple. Sometimes I hear about things that they say and I have to say ‘stop, I’m both of your friends, so quit it’.”
Hairball John: “Another project that you were a part of was BLUE MURDER, with John Sykes, and I understand that there were some hard feelings that came out of that.”
Kelly Keeling: “That was a two year fiasco. You know, we were best friends for two years and at the end (John) starts going over my vocals so I left the band. But he is a wonderful person, great friend, great songwriter, great musician and I have nothing but good things to say about him.”
Listen to the entire interview with Kelly Keeling at
LINK /
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 2/6/23 at 8:52 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Saw them open for Aerosmith in '87. At the time, probably my second most listened to band behind Motley. Ya'll should check out KXM. Ray Luzier from Korn, George Lynch, and dUg Pinnick from King's X.
This post was edited on 2/6/23 at 8:57 pm
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