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re: Why do most bands start off strong and then fade?
Posted on 8/24/12 at 8:30 am to island
Posted on 8/24/12 at 8:30 am to island
quote:Interesting. I don't like that one. Love Antics.
Interpol is another example. Their debut is absolutely amazing but the rest of thier works fail to live up to that album IMO
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Posted on 8/24/12 at 8:34 am to AlxTgr
Yeah, I prefer Interpol's later work as well because they stopped blatantly ripping off Joy Division and found their own sound.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 8:44 am to OldTigahFot
Their run from 1965-1968 (Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, and White) is just absolutely incomprehensible. This is the DiMaggio streak of music. 4 years, 4 all timers. Touring or not, we will not see anything like that ever.again.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 8:59 am to Baloo
quote:I read that a lot, but never really hear it. Then again, I don't like the first one anyway.
ripping off Joy Division
Posted on 8/24/12 at 10:24 am to RidiculousHype
Drugs, money, and egos would be my top two. That is what killed many great bands.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 2:53 pm to RidiculousHype
1. Their first album contains the best of everything they've written up to that point. There could be many years worth of great material on it.
2. Each subsequent album has music written pretty much just between the last album and when this one was recorded.
3. Record labels have more influence on the sound of the album after the first one. This causes the band to slowly conform to the record company's sound.
4. Once achieving financial success, bands and record companies tend to tailor their sound to what made them successful. If they have a hit, they write songs similar to that hit. In the end, this causes a lot of their stuff to sound the same.
2. Each subsequent album has music written pretty much just between the last album and when this one was recorded.
3. Record labels have more influence on the sound of the album after the first one. This causes the band to slowly conform to the record company's sound.
4. Once achieving financial success, bands and record companies tend to tailor their sound to what made them successful. If they have a hit, they write songs similar to that hit. In the end, this causes a lot of their stuff to sound the same.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 3:02 pm to kingbob
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4. Once achieving financial success, bands and record companies tend to tailor their sound to what made them successful. If they have a hit, they write songs similar to that hit. In the end, this causes a lot of their stuff to sound the same.
And this is what separated the Beatles from the rest of the pack. They didn't rest on their success but continued to innovate.
Posted on 8/24/12 at 7:19 pm to OldTigahFot
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And this is what separated the Beatles from the rest of the pack. They didn't rest on their success but continued to innovate.
What separated The Beatles from the pack was the fact that John Lennon and Paul McCartney pumped out songs like hookers pump out BJs.
The sheer number of the songs they wrote was out of this world and like you said they never shied away from different.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 9:25 am to CottonWasKing
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What separated The Beatles from the pack was the fact that John Lennon and Paul McCartney pumped out songs like hookers pump out BJs. The sheer number of the songs they wrote was out of this world and like you said they never shied away from different.
This. I would also add that the they grew up with their audience and were able to maintain their influence. During their 8 year run, Boomers went from teeny boppers to adults and their career mirrors that progression quite nicely.
One thing that hasn't really been said is that after they make it, bands go from a fairly normal and relatable perspective to one that is completely foreign to nearly everyone. You write what you know. When your perspective is shifted dramatically from outhouse to penthouse it can be tough to find your voice again.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:30 am to Black Card
One word; Success. Once they achieve it, most people loose the drive, hunger and passion. End of discussion. Next.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 12:47 pm to Nativebullet
Well, they have to achieve some sort of success before they can fade, right?
Posted on 8/25/12 at 1:03 pm to hobotiger
Not everyone can be great like the Beatles and mix it up and become greater with each change.
1963 - Please Please Me (pop).....Beatles were great
1967 - Sgt Pepper (psychedelic)......Beatles were much greater
1969 - Abbey Road (rock/pop).......Beatles were at their best
1963 - Please Please Me (pop).....Beatles were great
1967 - Sgt Pepper (psychedelic)......Beatles were much greater
1969 - Abbey Road (rock/pop).......Beatles were at their best
Posted on 8/25/12 at 4:27 pm to Marciano1
They write the good stuff when they are on the good stuff.
Then, they go to rehab.
Then, they don't write the good stuff.
Then, they go to rehab.
Then, they don't write the good stuff.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 4:31 pm to Black Card
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Pavement started off great and actually got better towards the end before realizing it was time to cut it off. Yo La Tengo continues to put out amazing material with every new album over the past 20 years. Guided By Voices is the epitome of continued, unrelenting success as far as strong albums go. Every album over the past 20+ years is above average, at least.
I think your name is Morgan. You just posted like my friend Morgan talks about those bands.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 10:42 pm to RidiculousHype
One reason for the fade that hasn't been mentioned is lineup changes.
You mentioned 3EB, but Blue their 2nd album is arguably my favorite album of all time. Subsequent albums began to suck because Steven Jenkins screwed Kevin Cadogan over royally and he was an integral force behind the band's creativity. After Blue, which went platinum, they never had a hit song or sold many albums.
So lineup changes definitely attribute to the fade.
You mentioned 3EB, but Blue their 2nd album is arguably my favorite album of all time. Subsequent albums began to suck because Steven Jenkins screwed Kevin Cadogan over royally and he was an integral force behind the band's creativity. After Blue, which went platinum, they never had a hit song or sold many albums.
So lineup changes definitely attribute to the fade.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 10:55 pm to RidiculousHype
I believe part of the problem is knowing how to create follow-up albums that are creative in their own right, but aren't too much of a departure from what the fan is used to. How many times have you heard fans bitch about a band's sound changing, or complaining that they released an album that sounds just like the previous? It's not easy.
Posted on 8/25/12 at 11:07 pm to Meursault
Boston's first album and it's not even close.
The rest of their discography is pure trash.
The rest of their discography is pure trash.
Posted on 8/26/12 at 9:31 am to RidiculousHype
The first album could have been written over a span of five or so years, songs perfected while played at small gigs, etc.
The band gets signed, hits the road to promote their album, and is forced to come up with a follow up, on the spot while on the road. Unless you have a group of incredible song writers with an extensive catalog of riffs and ideas, with inspiration coming from all directions, it's hard to come up with something that quick.
The band gets signed, hits the road to promote their album, and is forced to come up with a follow up, on the spot while on the road. Unless you have a group of incredible song writers with an extensive catalog of riffs and ideas, with inspiration coming from all directions, it's hard to come up with something that quick.
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