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SEClint
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Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton


Who owned their instrument more?


MrBobDobalina
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Gotta be Randy no question right?

I mean Cliff was a savage, Orion is a goat Metallica track for me but I think randy is at or for sure very near the top of the list of all time guitar players. Both went out in the fire and flames way too young, but for me I'll say it's not even close. RR was playing shite that had never been done b4. You already know this though


SEClint
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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RR was playing shite that had never been done b4.
But Cliff was too lol..on an instrument that wasn't generally being used for what he was doing.

Who went to a show and expected a legit bass solo?

Thats why I'm stumped on it, I dont really see any talent gap between the two in any way. Even died similar, at similar ages.
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LSU Jax
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
I guess I would go with Randy but you make some great points too about Cliff. All I know is they are two of my all-time favorite metal musicians. So damn tragic.

I drove out to the plane crash site a couple of years ago. Found a good place to just park and play You Can’t Kill Rock And Roll while looking out over the pastures and at the white house in the distance that the plane crashed into. It was powerful, solemn, and eerie all at the same time. Pretty heavy.

Might be a little tougher to get over to Sweden, but if I ever find myself in that region I’ll plan some time for a side trip.


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EarlyCuyler3
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
I don't think there is an answer for this.


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metallica81788
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Obviously a big Metallica fan and the 100% answer here is Randy. He was a virtuoso in his 20s and was redefining bringing classical techniques into metal. His chops and writing were in a different world than the rest of the genre at that time.

IMO, Cliff gets a mini-Cobain effect and is elevated/overrated by his premature death. He was doing some very innovative things with bass and expanding its role in a genre where bass generally doesn't do much.

I would love to see an alternate timeline where the bass was not effectively phased out of Metallica and they may have tread a different path. But in reality bass in Metallica/metal was never as important as Randy was to guitar.


Hoodie
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Burton was part of the bedrock of what would become arguably the biggest band in heavy metal history. He turned Hetfield and Ulrich on to many different kinds of music that would influence both for years to come. Burton was a big part of the song-writing process on the records that would cement Metallica's legacy, especially Master of Puppets. I've gotta go with Cliff, here.


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SEClint
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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But in reality bass in Metallica/metal was never as important as Randy was to guitar.
Cliffs writing, ideas and approach had a large impact on the rest of his bandmates. He made everyone around him grow as musicians.

Same thing kinda happened with Acid Bath, Audie Pitre was a hell of a player and writer. He bridged a lot of different styles in the band and was the glue. When he died, Acid Bath wasnt able to continue without him.
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I would love to see an alternate timeline where the bass was not effectively phased out of Metallica 
Cliff would have laughed at Lars if he had tried any shite on the justice for all album. And if they had treated his bass sound like they did Jason's, Cliff could have left for Megadeth..and imagine that.
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metallica81788
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Cliff would have laughed at Lars if he had tried any shite on the justice for all album. And if they had treated his bass sound like they did Jason's, Cliff could have left for Megadeth..and imagine that.


Maybe Metallica would have broken up around Justice time as Cliff wouldn't have let Lars be the Lars we all now know.

Maybe Napster would still exist!!!


SEClint
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Maybe Metallica would have broken up around Justice time as Cliff wouldn't have let Lars be the Lars we all now know.
silencing Cliff?
Lars would have gotten kicked out or made to STFU.

Maybe they could have recruited Dave Lombardo or Mike Portnoy at the time.


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14&Counting
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Gotta go with Cliff Burton

Rhodes was incredible but frankly Eddie Van halen was doing that stuff before Rhodes


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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Rhodes was incredible but frankly Eddie Van halen was doing that stuff before Rhodes

Rhodes unfortunately came up in an era of lots of great guitarists, namely EVH but plenty of great players in the hair bands of the time and younger guys like Mustaine and Dimebag. There also isn't any noticeable dropoff in quality of Ozzy's albums after Randy died. Ozzy always did a good job of surrounding himself with good musicians. Randy wasn't even the best to play with Ozzy when you consider Iommi basically invented metal.


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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Randy wasn't even the best to play with Ozzy

I don’t understand how anyone can listen to Diary of a Madman and have this opinion.

Randy Rhoads was remarkably talented and if anything Ozzy held him back. Imagine if he had enjoyed what he was doing when he recorded those albums instead of dealing with Ozzy’s bull shite constantly.
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Hoodie
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Others in Metallica have said that if Cliff survived, the Load-era sound may have arrived earlier as Burton was big fan of the artists and music that inspired those records.

I believe Burton's ability and musical acumen paired with Lars' business-sense and forward thinking may have taken Metallica to even greater heights than they've reached now. They may have attained the same level of commercial success with all of their perceived "integrity," to boot.


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LSU alum wannabe
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Thats why I'm stumped on it, I dont really see any talent gap between the two in any way. Even died similar, at similar ages.


That’s the thing. Death makes them even. Or at least unable to choose. Their bodies of work are too short. You may only have been scratching the surface of what those guys could do.

Imagine a 40 year old Cliff going bat shite on an upright bass for a song or two at a show.

Or Rhoades goes acoustic at 45 and does a tour. Or goes bluegrass. Lol


metallica81788
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Speaking of upright bass - Did anybody see the cello Anesthesia solo on SM2? Very cool.


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randybobandy
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Randy wasn't even the best to play with Ozzy when you consider Iommi basically invented metal.


Iommi was THE riff master, but his solos were mostly E minor pentatonic trills layered over each other.

Randy's sh!t was magic.


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goodshotred2
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
Randy was Eddie's contemporary more than any other guitarist from the era. Van Halen just hit the big time sooner.

As for the Cliff vs Randy debate, I'm going to go with Randy. He was incredibly gifted at portraying a songs subject matter through his instrument. His solo on Flying High Again is a great example. The first half, to me, sounds like someone who is flying for the first time and is initially scared, while the second half implies a feeling of wonder once they've settled in. Diary of a Madman is another one - it literally sounds deranged, like a madman.


LSU Jax
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re: Who was better at what they did?: Randy Rhoads or Cliff Burton
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Diary of a Madman is another one - it literally sounds deranged, like a madman.

This is exactly how I’ve viewed this song for decades now. Perfection.

Randy was the GOAT.


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