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what critiria makes a "great" guitarist?
Posted on 5/8/12 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 7:58 pm
Instead of asking for best guitarist, I figure I'd ask what makes one great?
Technically sound
Improvisation
Writing skills
Studio ability
Adapting to times
Longevity
Which are most important to you as the music fan?
Technically sound
Improvisation
Writing skills
Studio ability
Adapting to times
Longevity
Which are most important to you as the music fan?
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:03 pm to jose canseco
originality aka having their own "sound"
phrasing
Technicality
phrasing
Technicality
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:06 pm to jose canseco
He has to have that cool stance and a badass jump off the speaker thing
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:12 pm to CottonWasKing
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originality
It has to be more than that, but I guess you are saying that is your #1 factor. Bc I can be original on a guitar and I can't play for shite.
My fav guitarist is Duane Allman, but I don't consider him the best, bc he lacks a few key points.
I just wonder when people claim the "best" guitarist, if they are simply picking their favorite or they feel they are the best.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:16 pm to jose canseco
quote:
critiria
I don't normally point out grammatical errors, but come on.
As for the question, I believe that these are the most important:
Technically sound
Writing skills
Studio ability
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:20 pm to LSUTigerfaninHtown
quote:
I don't normally point out grammatical errors,
I know, all I can say is, whiskey is a hell of a drug.
See I feel live performance (improvisation) is a huge factor.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:35 pm to jose canseco
quote:
, but I guess you are saying that is your #1 factor
No I didn't mean those in any particular order really.
A person needs all three of those to be a great guitarist.
He has to have his own personal style while playing with exceptional phrasing at a technically advanced level.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 8:39 pm to jose canseco
quote:
Technically sound
Improvisation
Writing skills
Studio ability
Adapting to times
Longevity
What does duane allman lack out of these criteria?
The man was exceptionally technical,
his improv skills are legendary,
Granted He wasn't much of a songwriter
One of the busiest men in the studio you can find
He didn't really have a chance to adapt with the times or sustain longevity but the band he built from scratch most certainly did.
I think he makes a very strong case for best guitarist.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 9:07 pm to CottonWasKing
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I think he makes a very strong case for best guitarist.
Agreed, but longevity and writing is lacking in comparison to Clapton. Don't get me wrong, skydog is on my shortlist. But I have him right behind Clapton.
No doubt Duane would be #1, if he slowed down at that intersection.
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 5/8/12 at 9:14 pm to CottonWasKing
virtuosity, creativity, style, creativity, ability to improvise, longevity.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 9:17 pm to jose canseco
I'll take Skydog's short-lived body of work over all of Clapton's any day of the week.
Maybe it's because Skydog has that James Deanesque thing going for him, but I'd put him ahead of Clapton for sure.
I do like Clapton, though.
Maybe it's because Skydog has that James Deanesque thing going for him, but I'd put him ahead of Clapton for sure.
I do like Clapton, though.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 9:35 pm to FinleyStreet
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I'll take Skydog's short-lived body of work over all of Clapton's any day of the week.
As would I. As I posted earlier, Duane is my favorite and I'm on a mission to hear everything he ever recorded. But Clapton would get my vote as GOAT, simply bc of longevity. I'm splitting hairs at this point.
If only they recorded an album together...oh wait, layla album is in my cd player now...Haha
Posted on 5/8/12 at 10:04 pm to jose canseco
quote:
Technically sound
Improvisation
Writing skills
Studio ability
Adapting to times
Longevity
i always listen for melody in a guitarist's playing and their ability to compose a solo that fits the song. putting together riffs and solos that are memorable.
like a previous poster mentioned, having their own sound/tone, style, versatility, & being instantly recognizeable after just a few notes.
Posted on 5/8/12 at 10:19 pm to Geert Hammink_43
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their ability to compose a solo that fits the song. putting together riffs and solos that are memorable.
i agree. whats interesting, is rarely does anyone ever place Keef Richards in their top 5, but based on the most of qualities mentions in this thread he fits a lot
-numerous regonizable riffs
-studio master
-longevity
-technically sound
-original
i am guilty of it as well as i would not have him in my top 5, but damn he is dynamic
Posted on 5/8/12 at 10:20 pm to Geert Hammink_43
double post
This post was edited on 5/8/12 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 5/9/12 at 5:48 am to jose canseco
Technical ability might be a big factor for a lot of people, but for me it's not the main case. Doing sweeps and hitting note after note may be cool to some people, but to me it does nothing. That's why I take good blues guitar players doing a solo that might just be in the same box over a metal guitar player all over the place. It;s subjective to people, but to me; It's about shaping songs, being melodic, improv, creativity, and especially FEELING. for me. How do I feel when I hear the person play? Do I think "Oh, that's really difficult, cool!" or am I thinking "Wow, I have chills from that, this persons soul is in this". I want those chills. Sounds weird, but usually when I am listening to something really great, live or on album, I'll just smile like an idiot.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 8:26 am to jose canseco
These,
are why Buckingham is probably my favorite.
quote:
-numerous regonizable riffs
-studio master
-longevity
-technically sound
-original
are why Buckingham is probably my favorite.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 9:55 am to AlxTgr
I'm not sure that writing has much to do with being a 'great' guitarist.
Just because you don't write it doesn't mean you don't play it better than the rest... having said that I can't think of anyone I reguard as a great guitarist that wasn't at least good at writing music.
I am big on improvisation and simply the act of a solo. If you can play a solo for a few minutes and keep everyone's attention that is damn impressive I think.
Also I think having an original sound, you know the way you just hear a guitar for a second, in a song you've never heard before, and you say to yourself "oh, is that _________?" because you recognize their sound as well as you would a lead singer's voice.
Just because you don't write it doesn't mean you don't play it better than the rest... having said that I can't think of anyone I reguard as a great guitarist that wasn't at least good at writing music.
I am big on improvisation and simply the act of a solo. If you can play a solo for a few minutes and keep everyone's attention that is damn impressive I think.
Also I think having an original sound, you know the way you just hear a guitar for a second, in a song you've never heard before, and you say to yourself "oh, is that _________?" because you recognize their sound as well as you would a lead singer's voice.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 10:21 am to CocoLoco
quote:
Technical ability might be a big factor for a lot of people, but for me it's not the main case. Doing sweeps and hitting note after note may be cool to some people, but to me it does nothing. That's why I take good blues guitar players doing a solo that might just be in the same box over a metal guitar player all over the place. It;s subjective to people, but to me; It's about shaping songs, being melodic, improv, creativity, and especially FEELING. for me. How do I feel when I hear the person play? Do I think "Oh, that's really difficult, cool!" or am I thinking "Wow, I have chills from that, this persons soul is in this". I want those chills. Sounds weird, but usually when I am listening to something really great, live or on album, I'll just smile like an idiot.
This is one of the reasons I like Devin Townsend. The guy can play sweeps all day long, but he recognizes how wanky they are. In fact, if you watch any of his teaching videos, he pretty much degrades sweeping/speed as rather pointless endeavors. However, they do function for the sake of practice and he does use them in heavier songs. However, he also plays a wide range of styles and writes constantly.
I think I take all of those "skills" listed and judge based on the aggregate. You can be really fast and technical, yet boring as hell (Steve Vai). Now, your ability to write interesting parts does require a minimal level of talent. However, some guys just seem like they are attached to the guitar (Gregg Wright) and knows every last inch of the neck.
Now, I also give major bonus points to any guitarist that sings while playing. I guess what it boils down to is: I know it when I see (hear) it.
Posted on 5/9/12 at 10:22 am to TexasTiger1185
I think that when you start trying to categorize on good, better, best you wholly miss the point of music in the first place. To me a "great" musician is one who plays the part that's called for, not the most technical or innovative etc.
If you listen, the music will tell you what to play. The question is whether you can hear it when it speaks.
My favorite solo of all time is from Comfortably Numb. Not because it was the greatest, or best, or fastest etc, but rather because it fits.
If you listen, the music will tell you what to play. The question is whether you can hear it when it speaks.
My favorite solo of all time is from Comfortably Numb. Not because it was the greatest, or best, or fastest etc, but rather because it fits.
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