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re: Was there a more pretentious rocker than Kurt Cobain?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Tom Morello.
Talented guitarist. Shitty human being though. Always got a kick how he's a big time commie but loves the money he gets from big corporate recording studios.
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:45 am to James11111
Henry Rollins
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:46 am to TomAce
shite, forgot about him. He's up there.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:53 am to Pechon
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quote: Tom Morello. Talented guitarist. Shitty human being though. Always got a kick how he's a big time commie but loves the money he gets from big corporate recording studios.
He actually mentioned on his Sirius Xm show that he’s good friends with Ted Nugent despite their different beliefs which i thought was pretty cool. Zach de la Rocha on the other hand is so far gone.
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 9:56 am
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:54 am to James11111
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Then he killed himself and the band really took off.
Yes, because they weren't one of the most popular bands when he was alive.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 9:58 am to SECSolomonGrundy
by definition Elvis was the least pretentious bc he's the most iconic singer ever. you're describing arrogance not pretention.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:01 am to arcalades
Four pages in and no mention of Sting?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:13 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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Michael Jackson too
Elizabeth Taylor once introduced MJ as "The King of Pop, Rock & Soul" at an awards show.
MJ took that and put it on album covers & merchandise, had statues erected dressed up like a King, married Elvis' daughter and named his kid Prince.
I love me some Michael, but that's pretentious AF.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:16 am to James11111
Cobain wasn't any more pretentious than any other alt-rock musician. He was someone who hated rock stars but at the same time wanted to be one. Then he actually achieved it, found that he hated it after all, and further found that there was no real way to get off that train once he was on it. Add on top of that all the physical and mental ailments he was dealing with, plus being shackled to Courtney Love, and... yeah. Not a happy guy.
Some musician's egos are big enough that if they achieve success they are comfortable with being treated as larger than life by basically everyone. Cobain, on the other hand, seemed insecure with himself, and very uncomfortable with being treated as the voice of a generation. That level of fame means that for the rest of your life you think about every single person who shows any sort of interest in you at all, "I wonder if this person is interested in me for me or just because of who I am?" That's got to be an incredibly lonely feeling if you want genuine relationships and not just adulation.
Some musician's egos are big enough that if they achieve success they are comfortable with being treated as larger than life by basically everyone. Cobain, on the other hand, seemed insecure with himself, and very uncomfortable with being treated as the voice of a generation. That level of fame means that for the rest of your life you think about every single person who shows any sort of interest in you at all, "I wonder if this person is interested in me for me or just because of who I am?" That's got to be an incredibly lonely feeling if you want genuine relationships and not just adulation.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:24 am to arcalades
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by definition Elvis was the least pretentious bc he's the most iconic singer ever.
I disagree that he's the most iconic singer ever. He was definitely ripping off other singers acts. He wasn't head and shoulders above his peers. Then the acting and the government agent stuff was just feeding his ego.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:26 am to James11111
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Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:28 am to supatigah
In what way was he pretentious???
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:39 am to TFTC
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:48 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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I disagree that he's the most iconic singer ever. He was definitely ripping off other singers acts.
While the obscure trumpter, Buddy Bolden, is oft-credited for starting Jazz, it was Louis Amstrong who brought it to the world (via records & motion pictures with sound). Bands got bigger, better crooners surfaced, but Armstrong remains the face of Jazz.
Much like Armstrong wih Jazz, Elvis was the face of Rock 'n' Roll, or "The King", who brought it worldwide and effectively ended Jazz' dominance, despite having others preceding him who helped create RnR.
Elvis may not be the most iconic singer, but for RnR, he's its most iconic figure.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 10:49 am to James11111
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I think not. The guy took an average band and made them famous by being pretentious.
I love Nirvana, and I love Pearl Jam. That being said, what’s more pretentious than writing political shite on your arm with a Sharpie during a show, Mr. Vedder?
Posted on 1/16/22 at 11:02 am to James11111
Bono and Springsteen. Anyone that has seen the Eagles doc on Netflix knows that Don Henley and Glenn Frey are pretty fricking pretentious.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:02 pm to LSUFreek
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Elvis may not be the most iconic singer, but for RnR, he's its most iconic figure.
That's fair. I just think him being pretentious helped him become that figure. His talent alone didn't make him that figure. It was the persona that he was the biggest thing going.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:03 pm to James11111
quote:Pretentious is not a word I would have ever associated with him. Why do you say this?
made them famous by being pretentious.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:09 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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His talent alone didn't make him that figure. It was the persona that he was the biggest thing going.
Watch an Elvis documentary. Any of them. Calling him pretentious is ridiculous. He was incredibly humble.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:39 pm to James11111
You are a stupid person. This is a stupid thread. Way to go dummy.
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