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The last Dead and Co concert is being live streamed on Youtube
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:09 pm
Is this really the end? Ending in San Francisco where it all began …. So far It is amazing set.
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Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:14 pm to Crow Pie
And just like that Nugs.net sells out and pulls the stream.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:15 pm to Crow Pie
I went to 2 shows this tour and have been streaming as many shows as I can
Last 2 nights were absolutely amazing, they are really going out on top with their current lineup. John and Jeff and Oteil have great chemistry, really hope to see them work together more in the future.
Last 2 nights were absolutely amazing, they are really going out on top with their current lineup. John and Jeff and Oteil have great chemistry, really hope to see them work together more in the future.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 7:54 am to Crow Pie
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Ending in San Francisco where it all began
Dead and Co. started in San Fran?
Posted on 7/17/23 at 8:34 am to Crow Pie
Finally. Jerry’s legacy can finally stop being ravaged.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:00 am to Melvin
I find this comment quite interesting. From 81 to 94 I was absolutely blessed to have seen GD with Jerry 204 times and JGB 70 or so. Not an expert but have some experience. Thanks to the interwebs I have basically everything on a couple hard drives. Not a hippy by any means and approached it from a critical/statistical point of view.
That being said, as harsh as it sounds, I can't really disagree with you. None of the iterations approach the real deal (pun intended). It was a moment in time that is gone. I had fun at Phil and Friends, The Dead, Dead and Co. but it seems like a big money grab...even in the lot none, NONE of the booth salespeople could tell me their first show...that says it all. No deadhead can forget that.
That being said, as harsh as it sounds, I can't really disagree with you. None of the iterations approach the real deal (pun intended). It was a moment in time that is gone. I had fun at Phil and Friends, The Dead, Dead and Co. but it seems like a big money grab...even in the lot none, NONE of the booth salespeople could tell me their first show...that says it all. No deadhead can forget that.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:04 am to Mizooag94
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None of the iterations approach the real deal (pun intended)
I mean, duh, no jerry.
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I had fun at Phil and Friends, The Dead, Dead and Co. but it seems like a big money grab.
Only d&c seemed like a money grab imo, and furthur was the best post jerry band.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:05 am to Mizooag94
Even older heads than you will say the band had already declined by the 80s, that the scene was ruined by the trust fund kids with deadhead stickers on their cadillacs by that time or the rowdy gatecrashers in the 90s. Some say Brent ain't Dead or Dead ain't Dead without Donna. Deadheads just love to gatekeep their nostalgia. This is just a different iteration of a band that had many iterations, each with its own ups and downs and different sounds.
Weir's voice is slipping and he's starting to sound old, but John/Jeff/Oteil have really taken off during this tour, and although I think the slow tempo of Dead and Company holds them back on so much of their material compared to older Dead and the other Dead-adjacent acts out there like JRAD, they have really shined with some songs. John knocks it out of the park on songs like Althea, Cold Rain & Snow, Deal, Sugaree, Brown Eyed Women, etc.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:38 am to efrad
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Even older heads than you will say the band had already declined by the 80s, that the scene was ruined by the trust fund kids with deadhead stickers on their cadillacs by that time or the rowdy gatecrashers in the 90s.
LOL..yep. And the really older heads said that they peaked with the Wall of Sound. But you'll be hard-pressed to find any deadhead saying that 87-90 wasn't a special time. The musical vitality of that run was just fan-fricken-tastic. It rivals 68-69, 70-73 and 77-79.
While I appreciate John and others for giving it a go, it is just too painful to listen. Yes, you can have different iterations, but you just can't do it without Jerome John Garcia. You just can't. IMHO, Dead & Co isn't an iteration. It's a cover band, and a pretty bad one at that.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:13 am to Ten Bears
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It's a cover band, and a pretty bad one at that.
I have been critical of Dead & Co but this last tour has been on fire and it stands on its own.......
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:27 am to Ten Bears
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Yes, you can have different iterations, but you just can't do it without Jerome John Garcia.
Meh. Admittedly I've never seen Jerry perform live myself, that was just before my time, but as much as I'll get stoned for blasphemy for saying it, I think it's tiring the way Jerry is deified and put on this pedestal. I don't think Jerry would have wanted it that way either. Really, it's not like Jerry single-handedly architected the Dead from the top down, it was an organic unit with people coming in and out, with some of the biggest contributors never playing on stage.
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IMHO, Dead & Co isn't an iteration. It's a cover band,
I consider them an iteration but the "cover band" aspect I can agree with just because they haven't tried to expand their songbook. I'd love to see more new material in the same style as Grateful Dead (whether original writing or creative covers), but the backlash against popstar John Mayer meant he always needed to keep modest and humble in Dead&Co and so if that happened there would be more people bitching about Dead&Co "ruining" the Dead's legacy than there already are now. Personally I'd love to see a new project with John/Jeff/Oteil not named "Dead" that is an evolution of the current formula (drawing off the old songbook but moving forward as a new unit with new material).
Posted on 7/17/23 at 11:40 am to efrad
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Really, it's not like Jerry single-handedly architected the Dead from the top down, it was an organic unit with people coming in and out, with some of the biggest contributors never playing on stage.
Wait, what?????
Yes they were a band, but jerry was always the driving factor.
Unfortunately, this is why I keep my distance from d&c fans, john mayer is a blues guitarist, not an improviser who broke new ground. Jerry took risks, something mayer will never do. Tough to play psychedelic music when youve never taken psychedelics.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 12:08 pm to rutiger
quote:I didn't say he wasn't the driving factor, I said he didn't single-handedly architect the Dead from the top down. When you say "they were a band" I assume you know what the word 'single' means.
Wait, what?????
Yes they were a band, but jerry was always the driving factor.
Jerry was the glue that held the band together, but if you have nothing to glue together you have nothing at all. It's why the sound changed so much when the band members changed and Jerry remained constant. It was its own organic unit. In interviews Jerry talked about wanting "it" to continue after he was gone, even if "it" wasn't called "The Grateful Dead," and wanting to disappear and to be replaced when he died, not immortalized and made into a mythological figure, yet here we are. If Dead&Co ain't where it's at for you, that's fair and you're entitled to your opinion, but for someone to say "you just can't do it without Jerome John Garcia. You just can't" is antithetical to the actual spirit of the Dead.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:04 pm to Melvin
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Finally. Jerry’s legacy can finally stop being ravaged.
do you feel the same way about Melvin Seals & JGB, Dark Star Orchestra, JRAD, Steve Kimock, David Gans, John Kadlecik, Stu Allen & Mars Hotel, etc ... ? There are 1000+ tribute bands who continue to carry on the music and share it with others. Is every Grateful Dead tribute band ravaging Jerry's legacy and doing it as a money grab ?
Saw my first show in 1984 at the Greek Theatre and dozens of others until Jerry's passing at Serenity Knolls. Post Jerry, I've attended 6-8 concerts per year of tribute bands including Further, The Dead, RatDog, The Other Ones, Dead & Co., Phil Lesh & Friends, etc ... I respectfully disagree with your opinion on Jerry's legacy and those covering his catalog of songs. Jerry didn't care who was playing his music or the Grateful Dead's music. He just wanted the music to carry on and be shared with others. Essentially, Jerry wanted EVERYBODY to get on the bus.
Obviously some tribute bands are better than others. It's up to the individual to decide what bands or musicians they choose to follow and see live. No one will replace Jerry, as I don't expect anyone to duplicate his style and playing ability. Personally, I'm just thankful there are GD and JGB tribute bands who are still spreading the love.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:18 pm to efrad
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If Dead&Co ain't where it's at for you, that's fair and you're entitled to your opinion, but for someone to say "you just can't do it without Jerome John Garcia. You just can't" is antithetical to the actual spirit of the Dead.
Sorry, but I don't know of too many old heads that nostalgically discuss seeing Bobby and the Midnights or Kingfish whereas I, and many people like me, actually preferred JGB shows over Dead shows. That's how important Garcia was to not only the band, but the consumer of his music in a psychedelic space.
While I do believe its's a good thing for the music to be out there, and for a younger generation to experience it, it's difficult for people who actually saw shows to say that Dead & Co captures what we saw/heard when we were on tour.
Yes, the Dead were famously 'leaderless and democratic" on all band decisions, but you simply cannot recreate the same experience without Garcia. Mayer can jam with Weir, Kreutzmann and Mickey. He can sing the songs that people love to hear, etc. While none of this takes anything away from Mayer as a very talented guitarist and musician, it just doesn't touch the magic that occurred when Garcia played.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:21 pm to Got Blaze
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Is every Grateful Dead tribute band ravaging Jerry's legacy and doing it as a money grab ?
I think from a money sense its easy to draw a distinction between Dead and Co's pricing and scene vs what you see at DSO or even JRAD.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 1:55 pm to Ten Bears
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Sorry, but I don't know of too many old heads that nostalgically discuss seeing Bobby and the Midnights or Kingfish whereas I, and many people like me, actually preferred JGB shows over Dead shows. That's how important Garcia was to not only the band, but the consumer of his music in a psychedelic space.
So you liked Jerry Garcia -- absolutely nothing wrong with that, Jerry was great -- but saying you like JGB over Dead actually supports my point that the Dead was more than Jerry, but you happened to like Jerry
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While I do believe its's a good thing for the music to be out there, and for a younger generation to experience it, it's difficult for people who actually saw shows to say that Dead & Co captures what we saw/heard when we were on tour.
Yes, the Dead were famously 'leaderless and democratic" on all band decisions, but you simply cannot recreate the same experience without Garcia. Mayer can jam with Weir, Kreutzmann and Mickey. He can sing the songs that people love to hear, etc. While none of this takes anything away from Mayer as a very talented guitarist and musician, it just doesn't touch the magic that occurred when Garcia played.
Opinions on the Mayer/Dead&Co lineup completely aside, respectfully, all this "it was all magic and none of this can happy without Jerry" stuff just sounds like nostalgia for your younger days. I'm glad you had a great time, and I'm frickin jealous you got to see Jerry, but people are out there having a great time now in the jam band scene too.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:01 pm to efrad
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Opinions on the Mayer/Dead&Co lineup completely aside, respectfully, all this "it was all magic and none of this can happy without Jerry" stuff just sounds like nostalgia for your younger days.
You sound jealous and ignorant dude.
You just dont seem to be able grasp jerrys legacy.
There literally is ZERO jam bands without jerry.
Keep on arguing though.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:20 pm to efrad
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respectfully, all this "it was all magic and none of this can happy without Jerry" stuff just sounds like nostalgia for your younger days.
The dead's entire existence comes from a psychedelic perspective. I think it would help to read up on Owsley and his impact on the band. I think someone up above said it, but it's really difficult to recreate that perspective (ie. magic) with someone (Mayer) who simply doesn't have it. It's not a knock on Mayer's talent, or Dead &Co's, at all. So when I refer to the magic, yes, it was all due to basically one dude...Jerome John Garcia. No other guitarist that I have heard, could operate in that crazy intersection of space and time. A few have come close.
It's not a nostalgia for my younger years, although they were fun, and sometimes scary, as shiite.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:26 pm to rutiger
quote:Wow, did you gather that all by yourself from my statement "I'm frickin jealous you got to see Jerry"?
You sound jealous
quote:I'm jealous about someone whose legacy I cannot grasp? That makes total sense.
You just dont seem to be able grasp jerrys legacy.
quote:I've been saying that Jerry left a legacy of jam bands that continue the magic today.
There literally is ZERO jam bands without jerry.
You're the ones saying that Jerry didn't lay enough groundwork for that to continue without him.
Never once said that Jerry isn't great or that he didn't have a legacy. I just said you types deify him and put him on a pedastal, claiming the magic died when Jerry died, which is silly. If you want to believe the jam band magic is in the past it's just in your past.
quote:Yeah, it's a message board where people reply to each other. So I will, indeed, continue to reply to messages you and others post.
Keep on arguing though.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 2:27 pm
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