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re: The last Dead and Co concert is being live streamed on Youtube
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:31 pm to Ten Bears
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:31 pm to Ten Bears
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The dead's entire existence comes from a psychedelic perspective. I think it would help to read up on Owsley and his impact on the band.
I'm not ignorant on the topic of psychedelics. I was introduced to the Dead not through the music itself but through acid culture and specifically Owsley Stanley. When I wrote earlier about the Dead being "an organic unit with people coming in and out, with some of the biggest contributors never playing on stage" I was referencing Stanley.
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Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:45 pm to efrad
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I'm not ignorant on the topic of psychedelics. I was introduced to the Dead not through the music itself but through acid culture and specifically Owsley Stanley. When I wrote earlier about the Dead being "an organic unit with people coming in and out, with some of the biggest contributors never playing on stage" I was referencing Stanley.
Fair enough. Yet I still am confused as to your point. My point was simple. You can't recreate the magic of a Dead show without Garcia. You just can't. You can play the songs, as many tribute bands have, but it is not on the same, or even come close to level of what it was before.
If Jerry had not died, the band probably could have continued if Weir, Billy, Mickey, or possibly Phil had died instead. That would have been an iteration. Or jerry could have simply done it by himself with JGB. But with the death of Jerry, the band, for all intents and purposes, died with him.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 2:47 pm to Ten Bears
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It's a cover band, and a pretty bad one at that.
Now your just trying to hard imo. They are not “bad.” It may not be the sound of old but they most definitely are not bad.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 3:28 pm to Ten Bears
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Fair enough. Yet I still am confused as to your point. My point was simple. You can't recreate the magic of a Dead show without Garcia. You just can't. You can play the songs, as many tribute bands have, but it is not on the same, or even come close to level of what it was before.
My point is just as simple: Bands can and do recreate the magic of Dead shows without Garcia. He and his band created a formula and bands are executing on it now. There is a very bright future to the jam band scene right now. And it's what Jerry wanted.
Though no, music shows aren't exactly like they were in the 60s-80s, but that's because culture has changed and it's not the 60s-80s and it wouldn't be even if Jerry were still alive and at it.
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But with the death of Jerry, the band, for all intents and purposes, died with him.
The way I see it, the "leaderless and democratic" group became a family of jam bands and artists who have all played with one another and carry on a spirit and magic that isn't at all dead (but is Dead). The grandfather is dead but the kids are very much alive, the Dead bloodline lives on (and looks like it's gonna have some wonderful babies with the Allman scene).
Posted on 7/17/23 at 3:54 pm to efrad
I’m not getting into the Is the Dead dead debate but I am 35000 feet high headed to Maine and Jerry 100% lives via a 1974 Cow Palace show via Dicks Picks Vol 24! 
Posted on 7/17/23 at 4:11 pm to Crow Pie
Not a fan of d&c, BUT their drone usage at those 2 shows this tour was pretty frickin cool. The uncle sam tipping his hat last night was so sick.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 4:23 pm to TrussvilleTide
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its easy to draw a distinction between Dead and Co's pricing and scene vs what you see at DSO or even JRAD
I agree as you're comparing apples to oranges regarding the bands and their actual followers. Until Billy decided to bow out in April, D&C had 3 of the original band members still carrying on what was left of the Grateful Dead. Even with Mickey, Billy, and Bobby approaching 80 yrs old, many DeadHeads, myself included still wanted to follow the band and see a few last shows before they "Go To Heaven" and are but a memory.
Scene: the scene outside a Grateful Dead or Dead & Co. show has always had people ranging in age from 2 yrs old to 82 yrs old. The D&C 2023 Final Tour had massive crowds and traffic like never seen before. Lots of high-school age girls and boys who were apparently John Mayer fans, and they wanted to brag amongst friends that they went to a "Grateful Dead" concert. Easy to distinguish based on their attire, and they were constantly talking to each other and texting.
Pricing: is based on supply and demand, location (lawn), and the venue. I paid the following prices to see D&C on this final tour: $85 @ Jazz Fest, $100 @ DAL, and $115 @ ATL. Tickets were purchased prior to the event, and I didn't see ANYBODY selling tickets at the shows. If you showed up looking for a miracle you were likely left to hang out in the parking lot. JRAD and DSO tickets are likely in the $35 to $75 face value range, pre-taxes.
IMO, the biggest problem with ANY concert pricing post-Covid is the exorbitant and unnecessary taxes and fees. I attribute this to the greedy ticket brokers & concert promoters such as Ticket Master and Live Nation. Seems like they tack on 40% in stupid fees, and your $85 face value concert ticket will actually cost closer to $120.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 5:53 pm to Got Blaze
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Scene: the scene outside a Grateful Dead or Dead & Co. show has always had people ranging in age from 2 yrs old to 82 yrs old. The D&C 2023 Final Tour had massive crowds and traffic like never seen before. Lots of high-school age girls and boys who were apparently John Mayer fans, and they wanted to brag amongst friends that they went to a "Grateful Dead" concert. Easy to distinguish based on their attire, and they were constantly talking to each other and texting.
Pricing: is based on supply and demand, location (lawn), and the venue. I paid the following prices to see D&C on this final tour: $85 @ Jazz Fest, $100 @ DAL, and $115 @ ATL. Tickets were purchased prior to the event, and I didn't see ANYBODY selling tickets at the shows. If you showed up looking for a miracle you were likely left to hang out in the parking lot. JRAD and DSO tickets are likely in the $35 to $75 face value range, pre-taxes.
The night of the Cornell show I was so impressed that I immediately ordered tix for Dallas and I was able to get lawn for $70 apiece.
We were swamped by some annoying yapping college kids at one point, like you mention, talking loud enough that I could hear a lot of their conversations, and they were talking up how they got last minute tickets for $20 (or at least that's what it sounded like) which confused the shite out of me, though. The lawn seemed oversold and overcrowded imo
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:27 pm to efrad
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Really, it's not like Jerry single-handedly architected the Dead from the top down
Actually, he did I’m pretty sure. And if you asked Phil, Bobby, Billy, Mickey I would bet they would say exactly that, Jerry was the reason they were all there. There is no Dead without Jerry, I’m sure of that.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:42 pm to Crow Pie
I just got home from a Boulder/Gorge/SF show road trip. All the shows were amazing and we danced out of our pants
sorry they appear to be done but it was a damn good time. Dial up the Cumberland Blues from last nite for a taste of the good stuff. Also, the dark star/big river jam out of space from earlier in SF
sorry they appear to be done but it was a damn good time. Dial up the Cumberland Blues from last nite for a taste of the good stuff. Also, the dark star/big river jam out of space from earlier in SF
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:46 pm to Crow Pie
No Pigpen, no care
Posted on 7/17/23 at 9:57 pm to xraytiger
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Actually, he did I’m pretty sure. And if you asked Phil, Bobby, Billy, Mickey I would bet they would say exactly that, Jerry was the reason they were all there. There is no Dead without Jerry, I’m sure of that.
We went over this already, as Ten Bears said, the band was notoriously democratic and leaderless on band decisions, therefore not single-handedly created and not top-down, and I never said anything to the contrary about Jerry being the reason they were all there. I get it's hard to read clearly when you've read something that appears to be upsetting at a glance but please do try.
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:03 pm to efrad
It’s not upsetting at all. Leading a band or not leading a band wasn’t the comment. He did build the band and all the members would say it. It doesn’t really matter, the band was the best there was. With Jerry building it or not, as you say.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 7/17/23 at 10:14 pm to xraytiger
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Leading a band or not leading a band wasn’t the comment. He did build the band and all the members would say it.
Building the band wasn't the comment either. Obviously he built the band, but I chose the phrases single-handedly and top-down precisely because I believe it's the democratic and leaderless nature of the Grateful Dead that made it as great as it was and why it will continue to survive in different forms in the future. It's not a slight against Jerry, it's an acknowledgement of the breadth of the movement Jerry started.
Put it this way, he's the grandfather of the Dead family. Nobody would deny the fact they wouldn't exist without their grandfather, but one man alone doesn't make a family, and the death of the family patriarch doesn't end the family.
This post was edited on 7/17/23 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 7/18/23 at 6:39 am to efrad
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Admittedly I've never seen Jerry perform live myself
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My point is just as simple: Bands can and do recreate the magic of Dead shows without Garcia.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 8:27 am to Mizooag94
Just popping in to say that Althea they played on the last night in SF was amazing. John absolutely killed it and everyone should listen to it.
Now go back to arguing.
Now go back to arguing.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:13 am to rlebl39
Tour exceeded my expectations by a mile. I’ve enjoyed it and wish I could have hit more.
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:38 am to xraytiger
the music was next level great.
I was surprised as well
props to them for going out on top of their game
I was surprised as well
props to them for going out on top of their game
Posted on 7/18/23 at 5:20 pm to cgrand
john mayer is class act and a deadhead to be proud of
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San Francisco, night 3/3. This music has made me a better player, and this band made me a better person. I was given the opportunity of a lifetime - to have access to the greatest songbook in modern music, and the deepest well of life memories shared by hundreds of thousands of Deadheads who extended their grace and acceptance to me. I learned to compromise, and to take other people’s chances along with them. I learned to play in real time, to express myself without the distraction of ambition or expectation. I learned to listen, to have musical conversation, and most importantly, to be a part of something much bigger than myself. It was never about me. It was bout “it” - that spirit that a band and a crowd could go looking for together. If I’ve done my job right, I’ll disappear into that beautiful tapestry, the one that began almost 60 years ago and will continue to expand for lifetimes to come. I thank you from the bottom of my heart for embracing me and my place in this band, and to Bob, Mickey, and Billy - I’ll never be able to fully express my gratitude for your taking a chance on me. Something magical happened on this tour, and I don’t think any of us saw it coming. @deadandcompany is still a band - we just don’t know what the next show will be. I speak for us all when I say that I look forward to being shown the next shaft of light… I know we will all move towards it together. This band changed my life, and I love you all for it. An incredible tour, an unforgettable ride, and a beautiful world of memories to visit. I’ll be seeing you….
Posted on 7/18/23 at 9:22 pm to cgrand
I was admittedly a little ambivalent towards Dead & Co the past few years with the “Dead and Slow” mentality and would only catch them once a tour or so.
This final run was something special and 2 nights at the Gorge plus catching N3 in San Francisco for my birthday were some of, if not the best, shows I’ve ever seen.
Jay brought a fresh energy behind the kit and John found that balance of serving the legacy and putting it all out there as his own player.
For someone who was too young to see the heyday it was awesome catching a few ballpark shows and a massive Shakedown scene(for better or worse).
Money grab or not, it’s certainly been money well spent and I hope we get some future appearances from this lineup.
This final run was something special and 2 nights at the Gorge plus catching N3 in San Francisco for my birthday were some of, if not the best, shows I’ve ever seen.
Jay brought a fresh energy behind the kit and John found that balance of serving the legacy and putting it all out there as his own player.
For someone who was too young to see the heyday it was awesome catching a few ballpark shows and a massive Shakedown scene(for better or worse).
Money grab or not, it’s certainly been money well spent and I hope we get some future appearances from this lineup.
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