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Posted on 10/26/17 at 11:59 am to
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 11:59 am to
Honestly Bon jovi blows all those guys out the water
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 12:54 pm to
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I would not put Buffett in this list but I would not say Buffett is average. He is overplayed and Margaritaville pigeon holed him. Come Monday, Pirate Looks at 40, Son of a Son of Sailor are great songs. Very well written.

Call him island Bob Seger music if you must. They aren’t writing Bob Dylan level lyrics that need interpretation. Very simple but relatable to everyone.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 1:19 pm to
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Now, Buffet - I can't agree with. He is a cross between Dylan (or even the Eagles) and the Dead


Wuuuuuuut
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 1:31 pm to
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Jimmy Buffet




I don't even like springsteen's music, but i still recognize he's the dude of dudes... the only others you listed even worthy of a conversation are Elton, David and Bob. Prince and Phil Collins are above Buffet and should be in the conversation.

Hell, I'd put Rod Steward over Jimmy Buffet. Don't get me wrong, he definitely has a place, and that's pretty much the SE US.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 1:58 pm to
I think Springsteen belongs in a category with Petty ultimately. Those are legit rock guys but I'm not sure they had the impact of Dylan, DB or Elton John. I hold Petty in higher regard than Bruce but that's probably personal preference.

Dylan is above anyone listed, IMO. He, Elton and Paul McCartney are probably the remaining solo performers I'd put in the elite of the elite group.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 2:44 pm to
Springsteen and Elton John are overrated.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 3:53 pm to
Springsteen is top of the heap for me... as a total package.. Bowie and Petty are up there, too..

Obviously, Dylan is top as a songwriter, but I'd rather watch paint dry than see him perform...

EJ and BJ both have the odd songs I like here and there, but not for me in general..

Not sure why Buffet is even mentioned..
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:14 pm to
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please listen to Tumbleweed Connection and 11-17-70 before you try to tell me there are only 3-4 EJ songs you like.



And "Madman Across the Water" is a great rock album.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 4:58 pm to
I never thought much of Springsteen
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 5:39 pm to
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I never thought much of Springsteen


Give him another chance,start with Thunder Road,move up through The River,some pretty deep stuff.
At the time though,he was up against the Beginning of Metal Mania,so he got overlooked a lot.
He was just doing his own thing.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 5:46 pm to
I've listened to him extensively, he does have a few great songs, I'm on fire being one.
Posted by auggie
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:05 pm to
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I've listened to him extensively, he does have a few great songs, I'm on fire being one.


What I always give Springsteen credit for, he was still wearing early R&R influences on his sleeve,even when it was out of style.
He wanted to be Roy Orbison,when everyone else wanted to be Led Zepplin.He was good enough to make it work too.
I'm on fire was a great song,that I almost forgot about.
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:09 pm to
It's just tough for me to put him in the same camp as bands like Zeppelin, The who, or the stones, and you're right he kind of did his own thing.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:17 pm to
Springsteen took the working class hero persona of John Fogerty, mooked it up with urban East Coast culture (mostly ignored until Mean Streets) and set it to the music of The Rascals.

But his greatest significance wasn't comletely musical. BS made the bar band respectable. Until his rise big concerts were either vaudeville style special effects or ritual worship of the stud cocksman lead singer (or occasionally, guitar hero).

BS wasn't either of those things. He was simply a rock and roll singer, for better or worse. He made the bar band aesthetic respectable and even goalworthy. His rejection of Arena Rock culture was a major influence on the new wave punks, whether they admit it or not.
Posted by auggie
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Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 6:33 pm to
Yeah, you get it,but you left out: he writes some great songs.

The screen door slams-Mary's dress waves
Like a vision she dances across the porch as the radio plays
Roy Orbison sings For The Lonley-Hey that's me and I want you only....
That's good shite right there.
This post was edited on 10/26/17 at 6:40 pm
Posted by TFTC
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Member since May 2010
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:01 pm to
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What I always give Springsteen credit for, he was still wearing early R&R influences on his sleeve,even when it was out of style.
He wanted to be Roy Orbison,when everyone else wanted to be Led Zepplin.He was good enough to make it work too.
I'm on fire was a great song,that I almost forgot about.


Well, he kinda gave that a go with Steel Mill... but then he realized those blues based, hard rock bands were a dime a dozen back then and decided to do his own thing... worked out well...

Steel Mill - The Wind and Rain
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:23 pm to
You know, this is actually the first time I have ever heard that.
To me,as he gets into it,it's an attempt more at an AB's type of thing,and pretty great writing,even from the start.

Wind And Rain...goes right to what everyone understands and can identify with.
He is a damn smart guy.
This post was edited on 10/27/17 at 6:26 am
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 11:21 pm to
Springsteen has a ton of great music and is by far the best live performer on the list.

Go see him. You won't regret it. Amazing. Plays his arse off.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
31956 posts
Posted on 10/27/17 at 3:32 am to
I have seen him several times,you are preachin to the choir.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 10/27/17 at 6:12 am to
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Springsteen and Elton John are overrated.


Elton John to about 1975 was one of the best ever.

Bruce Springsteen's first three albums, and then Nebraska were outstanding.

Since then, sure, I'm not interested in listening to either one. But I still listen to their older music which is not "overrated" at all. Probably somewhat under-appreciated today.
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