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Question about referencing specific concert dates
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:15 am
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:15 am
I am totally ignorant on the subject so I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, not as some sort of veiled critique. Often times, mostly with jam bands, you see fans reference specific dates of shows as being their best or ones to check out. Something like "I think [x/xx/19xx] in Tampa is their best show ever. No way, you gotta check out [x/xx/19xx] in NYC!" This concept is strange to me, since on the face of it it would seem that it's the same guys playing the same notes and songs, and many times even the same set list. The only comparison I have personally would be football and referencing specific dates and games/opponents from the past, but that's a bit different since each game is unique in whatever happens in it. So what exactly is it that makes these bands have specific dates as benchmarks, rather than particular albums for example?
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:58 am to WG_Dawg
The Grateful Dead never did the same set list two shows in a row. Hell, they probably never did the exact same set list for two shows period. They once played six full approximately three hour long shows in a row without repeating a single song.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:08 am to WG_Dawg
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I am totally ignorant on the subject so I'm asking out of genuine curiosity, not as some sort of veiled critique. Often times, mostly with jam bands, you see fans reference specific dates of shows as being their best or ones to check out. Something like "I think [x/xx/19xx] in Tampa is their best show ever. No way, you gotta check out [x/xx/19xx] in NYC!" This concept is strange to me, since on the face of it it would seem that it's the same guys playing the same notes and songs, and many times even the same set list. The only comparison I have personally would be football and referencing specific dates and games/opponents from the past, but that's a bit different since each game is unique in whatever happens in it. So what exactly is it that makes these bands have specific dates as benchmarks, rather than particular albums for example?
I know when I say stuff like that, it is in reference to a band/artist that improvises their solos or some other part of the song where it's different each time.
Take Cream for example, sure we all know their album stuff, but theres a few live shows of their that I've listened to that really stand out in terms of their intensity, improvisation etc..
Some nights are better than others for certain groups/artists.
Besides SRV, he brought it 100% night in and night out, the guy was an open channel for music to pour out of.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:11 am to WG_Dawg
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This concept is strange to me, since on the face of it it would seem that it's the same guys playing the same notes and songs, and many times even the same set list. The only comparison I have personally would be football and referencing specific dates and games/opponents from the past, but that's a bit different since each game is unique in whatever happens in it. So what exactly is it that makes these bands have specific dates as benchmarks, rather than particular albums for example?
It's usually a combination of things. Jam bands don't usually play the same setlists every night. And they often play songs in different ways - stretching out jams, transitioning from one song to another and back to the original, etc. There's a lot of improvisation and this aspect is why many people follow these bands around for multiple shows. Also, there may be a song that they bust out that they haven't played in a very long time. Fans of all the major jam bands keep a database of every song they've played, the last time they played it and all that. So, if a show is referenced, it might be because of one or more bust-outs.
Some nights, a band just catches fire. The chemistry is there, the set list is perfect, the crowd is really responsive and everything just flows. Those are the ones that usually end up as a specific date reference.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:39 am to WG_Dawg
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So what exactly is it that makes these bands have specific dates as benchmarks, rather than particular albums for example?
A lot of those band have people that will do the whole tour, so some of it word of mouth based on the "energy" in the show on a particular night. Some of it the setlist, which for a lot of these bands varies every night. Some of it is word of mouth from grat audience recordings of the show.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:49 am to ThePenIsMightier
It's usually a combination of a particularly good performance and a particularly good setlist. As ThePenIsMightier said, some bands have songs that they only play rarely so the inclusion of one of these will elevate a particular show in fans' minds too. Usually a setlist of deep tracks that omits a lot of radio hits will end up being a very special show.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:04 am to WG_Dawg
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So what exactly is it that makes these bands have specific dates as benchmarks, rather than particular albums for example?
the bands you are referring to usually are known more for their live shows than their albums. The Grateful Dead being the most obvious. They have a few good studio albums, but their concerts are known for changing the set lists and relying heavily on improvisation, like a jazz band.
Some nights there is a synergy that occurs between the band and audience. Song selection, band's effort and audience being locked in all create a "magical" experience. It's more common in jazz circles/concerts than rock music.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 5:34 pm to 88Wildcat
Not only did the Grateful Dead never play the same setlist twice, they never played any of their songs the same way twice. Even the songs without significant improvisational passages were unique to each concert. None of the musicians played their part the same way from performance to performance.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:07 pm to Treacherous Cretin
^
Big Dead homer here. I like what you’re saying, but that’s just not true.
Big Dead homer here. I like what you’re saying, but that’s just not true.
Posted on 3/16/19 at 8:48 pm to AUGDawg
Prove it. Pick a simple song like Me & My Uncle. Find two identical versions. You can't. To the casual listener it might sound the same from one playing to another. But Phil's bass line is different every time, Bobby's rhythm guitar licks are different every time, Jerry is always winging it even when he's not taking a solo. Every time they played a song, it was each guy bringing his own take on that particular instance.
Posted on 3/17/19 at 9:18 am to WG_Dawg
wtf
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