re: Pop punk

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It’s definitely emo too, but there’s a lot of crossover between the two

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i've listened to chris carabba since further seems forever. dashboard confessional started out as an acoustic emo project for chris and progressed into more of a rock band than anything. most of his songs are slow or mid tempo and have zero palm muting of fast 3 chord songs.

if anyone says DC is a "punk band" that tells me that they don't really understand genre specifics or what they're actually listening to.

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in the last 25 years I don't think there is another band that is more synonymous to pop punk as blink 182.

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More so than, Green Day? I know GD's legacy extends back a little further, and maybe early 90s was more their bigger heyday...

I guess I never really took B182 that seriously... but I've never really been dialed into that era of punk (The "Warp'ed" era).. So, what did I know... And yes, I realize thats prob a broad, unfair generalization...

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in the last 25 years I don't think there is another band that is more synonymous to pop punk as blink 182.

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Proof that the genre generally sucks donkey arse.

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More so than, Green Day?

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I've always thought of blink as more of a pop punk band and green day as a punk rock band. probably splitting hairs. I think blink was always more accessible than green day with their political stances.

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Proof that the genre generally sucks donkey arse.

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a lot of it does. blink 182 was always a joke band starting with buddha and chesire cat. dude ranch is when they broke out with "dammit" and exploded on their next album with "whats my age again".

a lot of the bands that were influenced by them in the early 2000's sucked but did great commercially.

when I think of good pop punk, I look at saves the day "through being cool" being a gold standard record for the genre.

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Green Day’s brand of skate punk killed off all the other punk bands and genres and became commercially successful.... mtv realized there was something to this and created a massive wave of these kinds of bands that flooded the market.

The music was hard enough to appeal to teenage boys, but the lyrics were sweet and romantic enough to appeal to teenage girls. Rock was phased out for this new pop punk music.

Running concurrently to pop punk was emo music that was less accessible to the mainstream. However, the two genres began to cross over in the mid 2000’s giving rise to bands like the Used, My Chemical Romance, Fallout Boy, Hawthorne Heights, Rise Against, and Panic at the Disco.

Rock was slowly purged from culture.

By 2009, not only was rock now almost completely removed from fm pop radio, but the emo/pop punk bands had been faded out with the new fad: indie folk bands like Lumineers, Revivalists, and Mumford & Sons.

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I have never seen the sad and slow cancerous death of rock music and the torturous radio destruction at the hands of corporate board rooms described so accurately and succinctly.

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Before I tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about, please give me some other examples of pop punk.

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I’ve already linked at least 10 songs in this thread, but I’m happy to share more. Pop punk is a fun genre for me that’s very nostalgic as I was a teenager during that era.

Perfect - Simple Plan

Swing Swing - The All American Rejects

Until the Day I Die - Story of the Year

Seein’ Red - Unwritten Law

The Middle - Jimmy Eat World

Make Damn Sure - Taking Back Sunday

Last Train Home - Lost Prophets

All That I’ve Got - The Used

Adam’s Song - Blink 182

The Adventure - Angels & Airwaves

To me, the gold standard of a pop punk album is probably “Ocean Avenue” by Yellowcard.

Time to link some blink, then:
Always

I Miss You

First Date

Down

Man Overboard

Bonus: There Is - Box Car Racer

I understand that they probably more fall under the “emo” heading, but I think focussing too much on splitting hairs over genre is just silly. It’s like arguing that Def Leppard and Poison aren’t both pretty much hair bands of the mid to late 80’s. The bands were enjoyed by the same fanbases in the same places at the same time. There wasn’t some kind of pop/punk vs emo turf war going on.

The two genres had slightly different roots but more or less merged by the mid 2000’s and no one outside of contrarian hipsters and self-proclaimed music critics/historians gives a crap. Besides, contemporary music critics absolutely hated the pop punk and emo bands at the time, so who cares what they think.

The late 90’s and early 2000’s had several subgenres of rock fighting for attention, and the pop punk/emo ones tended to have a different fanbase from the post-grunge creed-type bands and the rap metal groups like Limp Bizkit.

The similar music combined with common fanbases and timelines gets emo and pop punk often roped together. While the mid 90’s DC emotional hardcore scene was distinct from the Southern California skate punk scene at the time, by 2004, emo and pop punk were virtually interchangeable, both heavily influencing one-another, and anyone still fighting for a clear demarcation is as cringe as the op of the reddit “real emo” copypasta.

I’d invite you to just chill out, stop being a contrarian, and just listen to some fun, relatively unserious music from a less melodramatic time. It didn’t take itself too seriously, and neither should you.

1985 - Bowling For Soup

Just the Girl - The Click 5

Chunk! No Caption Chuck - Allstar

The Great Escape - Boys Like Girls

WaldorfWorldwide - Good Charlotte

Memory - Sugarcult

Impossible to Find - Secondhand Serenade

Bring You Back - Hawthorne Heights

In Too Deep - Sum 41

Teenagers - My Chemical Romance

Sugar, We’re Going Down - Fallout Boy

Jimmy eat world is in no way “punk” and never have been. Especially not the song “the middle”