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re: Pop punk
Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:21 pm to monsterballads
Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:21 pm to monsterballads
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Jimmy eat world is in no way “punk” and never have been. Especially not the song “the middle”
Wikipedia says that song is pop punk. LINK
Literally every pop punk cover band I’ve ever seen has covered it. Every pop punk playlist I’ve ever heard had it on there. If you want to split hairs, you do you, I guess, but don’t act like I’m some uncultured philistine for roping them in with pop punk.
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Posted on 1/14/21 at 12:29 pm to kingbob
I’ve been listening to jimmy eat world since static prevails came out in the mid 90’s. They’ve never been a punk rock or pop punk band.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:34 pm to kingbob
quote:Well, they are not. It's not even a close call.
Wikipedia says that song is pop punk. LINK
I would suggest you get your music definitions from Allmusic, not Wiki.
quote:
Genre
Pop/Rock
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Styles
Alternative/Indie Rock
Emo-Pop
Posted on 1/14/21 at 1:54 pm to kingbob
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but don’t act like I’m some uncultured philistine for roping them in with pop punk.
It’s just silly. That’s not what they are or ever have been.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 2:00 pm to monsterballads
While we’re being silly, is a hotdog a sandwich? Is gumbo a curry? See, these are similarly silly questions because the answer is irrelevant. It doesn’t matter how the thing is arbitrarily categorized because it’s categorization doesn’t change the thing. It’s nothing but a subjective label. If Vindicated or The Middle were suddenly classified as country music, it wouldn’t make the songs any less enjoyable. It’s just a label.
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/14/21 at 2:12 pm to kingbob
if labels or genre don't mean anything then why categorize music at all?
Posted on 1/14/21 at 2:20 pm to monsterballads
Because it gives nerds on the internet something meaningless to debate 
The main reason for categorization is to help new listeners find stuff that they might like. “If you like band x, you might like y and z”. I think this is really helpful at some level, but over time, music aficionados have created an endless number of sub-genres and distinctions that are so fundamentally sonically similar with definitions so arbitrary that they may as well be indifferentiable by even a discerning ear, allowing taste to influence categorization more than objective metric.
I think categorization, in general, can be a useful enterprise, but that music, atm, is too focused on hyper categorization. We have created so many sub-genres of sub-genres, with differences so minor as to render much of the exercise unnecessary, and barely more than mental-masterbation and gate-keeping “no true scotsman” snobbery.
The main reason for categorization is to help new listeners find stuff that they might like. “If you like band x, you might like y and z”. I think this is really helpful at some level, but over time, music aficionados have created an endless number of sub-genres and distinctions that are so fundamentally sonically similar with definitions so arbitrary that they may as well be indifferentiable by even a discerning ear, allowing taste to influence categorization more than objective metric.
I think categorization, in general, can be a useful enterprise, but that music, atm, is too focused on hyper categorization. We have created so many sub-genres of sub-genres, with differences so minor as to render much of the exercise unnecessary, and barely more than mental-masterbation and gate-keeping “no true scotsman” snobbery.
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/14/21 at 2:47 pm to monsterballads
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I’ve been listening to jimmy eat world since static prevails came out in the mid 90’s. They’ve never been a punk rock or pop punk band.
They definitely started as an emo band which had and has always been one of the many sub-genres of punk. Static Prevails fits somewhere into the Midwestern Emo and Post-Hardcore sub genres. By Bleed American, the aggressive parts lean more into a general alternative rock sound, and you could call it Emo-pop or indie-pop if you really want. The distance between the Bleed American-and-later JEW and other acts traditionally considered pop-punk (even if the term itself has different meanings to different people based on when they got into it and how deeply they got into it) does exist, but it ain't some large gulf of separation.
In support of my in-parentheses point, many would call acts like NoFX and Dillinger 4 punk. Just punk. I tend to think of them as pop-punk, even if it's heavier on the punk than the pop than other mall pop punk bands.
Dillinger 4 - Q. How Many Punks Does it Take to Change a Lightbulb?
NOFX - Kids of the K Hole
Against Me! - Cliche Guevara
Newer stuff:
Someone already mentioned Charly Bliss. Their album Guppy is a perfect blend of pop-punk and 90s inspired fuzzed-out indie.
Lawrence Arms - Ghostwriter
Jeff Rosenstock - Blast Damage Days
PUP - Bare Hands
Posted on 1/14/21 at 3:14 pm to kingbob
I agree with kingbob that categorizing bands is some pointless mental masturbation for internet nerds. I also agree that JEW could be classified as pop punk, in fact Mark Hoppus had Jim lined up to replace Tom in Blink before settling for Matt Skiba.
Anyway, I heard a funny story that Rancid during the early 90s had a big time label exec offer them unseen nude photos of Madonna to coerce them into signing a deal lol. This was right around the time Green Day and Offspring were blowing up, so I think everyone was trying to ride that wave. Then Blink came along, stole The Descendents/NOFX’s shtick and made 100x more palatable to white suburban youth. Goooooood times
Anyway, I heard a funny story that Rancid during the early 90s had a big time label exec offer them unseen nude photos of Madonna to coerce them into signing a deal lol. This was right around the time Green Day and Offspring were blowing up, so I think everyone was trying to ride that wave. Then Blink came along, stole The Descendents/NOFX’s shtick and made 100x more palatable to white suburban youth. Goooooood times
This post was edited on 1/14/21 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 1/14/21 at 3:17 pm to Boring
Also a rancid fan.
Fall Back Down
One of the tracks off my pop punk project’s album is very Rancid-inspired.
Fall Back Down
One of the tracks off my pop punk project’s album is very Rancid-inspired.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 4:01 pm to Boring
quote:
I also agree that JEW could be classified as pop punk
regarding jimmy eat world as "pop punk" is one of the funniest things i've read on this board. Same with dashboard confessional.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 5:16 pm to monsterballads
quote:
regarding jimmy eat world as "pop punk" is one of the funniest things i've read on this board. Same with dashboard confessional.
This isn't exactly a calling Beyonce metalcore or calling Slipknot neo-soul situation.
You've got at least 2 people in here calling them Emo-pop, which associates them with groups like The Get Up Kids, The Promise Ring, Taking Back Sunday, Saves the Day, and, you guessed it!, Dashboard Confessional (once they went electric). Many would regard at least two of those acts as pop-punk.
I personally would not call JEW pop-punk, but there's very little separating pop-punk from emo-pop.
Does the "silly" nature of this come from you not wanting to associate this band with any arena of punk? I don't know how someone could deny that association. You can't be an emo band and be totally separate from punk.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 5:54 pm to kingbob
quote:
Fall Back Down
First band I was in in 8th grade covered this song. Loved playing the bass line.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 6:15 pm to Boring
I love the surf-inspired lead guitar solos. I do something similar in one of my songs.
Posted on 1/14/21 at 8:32 pm to kingbob
Posted on 1/14/21 at 10:31 pm to Jay Are
quote:
You can't be an emo band and be totally separate from punk
Emo =\= pop punk
Yes emo has elements deriving from punk rock but pop punk, no.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 9:54 am to monsterballads
Maybe we can derail this hair splitting argument with a debate about another band from the aughts.
Coheed and Cambria. What genre are they?
Coheed and Cambria. What genre are they?
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:14 am to HoldenOversoul
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Coheed and Cambria.
That's a tough one. They really straddle the line between a lot of genres. There's elements of emo, pop punk, post-punk hardcore, metalcore, etc. I don't know exactly how to classify them, but they f&%king slap
Posted on 1/15/21 at 10:23 am to kingbob
Agreed, they are awesome and I feel like they don't come up enough in conversations about the early to mid-aughts period of rock.
Posted on 1/15/21 at 11:51 am to HoldenOversoul
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Coheed and Cambria. What genre are they?
probably progressive rock. coheed is a special band though and has elements of a lot of different genres.
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