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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:18 am
Posted by Devious
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:18 am
My grandfather left me his 1957 Martin. I want someone to look it over for potential truss rod issues. I don't suspect any from playing, just want a more seasoned eye on it. There are also some small scratches in the body I would like repaired. Not sure of where to start or who's best at bringing this beauty back in the BR area. Thanks for the help.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
Member since Apr 2012
18956 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:28 am to
I’m no expert when it comes to repairs but when it comes to scratches are you sure you want to repair them? Scratches are what makes a guitar unique. Think of it this way, your grandfather put those scratches there. You sure you want to patch over that? Just something to consider.
Posted by Devious
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Member since Dec 2010
29142 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:32 am to
I probably put half of those scratches there in my teens

But you're right. I didnt even think of it like that.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34567 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:34 am to
quote:

your grandfather put those scratches there


Character marks.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89462 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 12:36 pm to
I don't like to fix anything that doesn't affect playability or sound.

The older and more valuable the guitar, the more that is true.

Now, with a really nice, high end vintage guitar if an expert told me, "Spend $X and you'll triple your repair money" and I was going to sell it, I would consider it. But even then, if it was a nice looking, playable example, I think you get a better value unrestored because:

1. You don't risk your restoration money (or damage during restoration), and

2. You don't know what folks want - you might turn off the guy looking to buy it - you could end up losing value depending on the market.


So, for a personal, heirloom guitar, I super duper don't want to futz around with repairing cosmetic things because that's the fingerprint of the guitar.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted by TheCurmudgeon
Not where I want to be
Member since Aug 2014
1481 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:41 pm to
you know, I'll take one for the team and take that old guitar off your hands sight unseen.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1237 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:04 pm to
A 1957 Martin won't have an adjustable truss rod. It has an internal T-bar for reinforcement.

Any neck hokeys will need to be addressed via a saddle/bridge modification, fingerboard releveling/reradiusing as part of a refret, a neck reset, or a combination of all three.

Before you put money into cosmetic repairs, be prepared for potentially a sizeable $$$ investment in structural integrity and playability things first.

Google my handle and you'll find the phone number to my shop.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52253 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:52 pm to
quote:

My grandfather left me his 1957 Martin.


And you couldnt be bothered to post pics?
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
10180 posts
Posted on 4/1/20 at 8:48 pm to
Lucky guy. Treasure it and your memories w him.

Like others have said, I wouldn’t touch a thing. And post a pic if you get a chance.
Posted by Devious
Elitist
Member since Dec 2010
29142 posts
Posted on 4/6/20 at 9:46 pm to
Finally got some time for pics...noticed a few things. First, it's a '61 00-18, not a '57 00-16. Tired eyes when I looked it up earlier. Second, Paw Paw added a mic in the body which I'll remove at some point. Third, the tuners do not look original. I don't remember him changing them though.

Hoping to get to a point I can play it soon. I love the way it sounds. Just to add, I have no intentions of ever selling this thing. It's probably what my grandfather and I bonded most over.





This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 9:48 pm
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26961 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:28 am to
Those pics are just ok to judge “restoring “ it.

But from what I see I too wouldn’t touch it just get it looked at to see if anything is wrong beyond cosmetic.

Love that 50’s Martin headstock with the rounded corners.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27737 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:39 am to
From what I see, (can't tell much about the action or neck straightness from your photos), I wouldn't touch anything. Why do you want to remove the mic? Does it sound bad? It's already been installed and the hole for the jack has already been drilled out larger, may as well leave it and use it.
If you decide you want to trade it for a couple of goats or some chickens or something, let me know.
That's really a great guitar, congratulations
Posted by Kcprogguitar
Kansas City
Member since Oct 2014
887 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:01 pm to
Gotta say, leave the cosmetics, but get it playable like FS said.

I have a friend who had his moms J50 restored to playability. She used to play live on the radio with the Everly Brothers in Iowa.
Posted by 45acp
Near The Big Chicken
Member since Jul 2007
736 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 4:55 pm to
please don't do any more than you absolutely have to, to this guitar.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1237 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 5:22 pm to
The owner and I have spoken by phone. He's bringing the guitar for an in-person inspection in the next few days. We will be doing as little as possible to the instrument from a structural standpoint. And nothing to alter or correct current cosmetic wear.
Posted by D Tide
Member since Mar 2012
503 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 12:37 am to
quote:

I want someone to look it over for potential truss rod issues.

Just wait till he finds out how much a neck set will be And he will wish it was a truss rod issue
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27737 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 1:18 am to
quote:

Just wait till he finds out how much a neck set will be And he will wish it was a truss rod issue


Hope he doesn't have that problem, maybe it's in good shape. Neck reset is serious money.
Posted by D Tide
Member since Mar 2012
503 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:31 am to
From what I understand all old martins will eventually need a neck set
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27737 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:34 am to
quote:

From what I understand all old martins will eventually need a neck set


I don't know for sure, but from what I have heard, at least Martins use a dovetail type neck joint, and is the easier type to do.
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1237 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 5:13 pm to
All old acoustic guitars in general will need a neck reset at some point in their lives. Simple physics ... you have a hollow box of thin wood, with a stick coming out of it, and stretched between the box and the stick are 140+ pounds of tension via tuned strings, 24/7, day in and day out, year after year after year. How they last as long as they do without succumbing to that is pretty amazing if you think about it.

That being said, not all old acoustics need neck resets if their action is high and they have no truss rod ... some may have never been properly set up in the first place, or still have areas where playability can be addressed. Case in point ... look at the excessive height of the saddle in the third picture. A saddle protruding that much from a bridge on even a brand new acoustic typically spells higher than desirable action.

That one photo tells me we can probably make incredible progress without any more intrusiveness than what would be typically considered routine set-up TLC. Fingers crossed.
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