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re: Megadeth as an influence
Posted on 8/9/20 at 10:38 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 8/9/20 at 10:38 pm to Saint Alfonzo
And let's not forget Metallica's catalog is really 1-5 of worthwhile stuff.......album 1 was a whole lot of Dave.
Of the Big 4, I think Megadeth is unquestionably front to back the best and most consistent of any of the 4.
Slayer has been consistent as well, but much more abbrasive.
I like Anthrax fine, and I get why they're in the "Big 4" but I'd say at this point, Pantera really deserves that 4th spot for all timers/popularity/quality/etc. They were releasing hair metal cheese in the 80s anyway, so they were around, therefore credentials legit
I don't think any of them have written a song that touches Holy Wars. Rust in Peace is front to back gold.
Of the Big 4, I think Megadeth is unquestionably front to back the best and most consistent of any of the 4.
Slayer has been consistent as well, but much more abbrasive.
I like Anthrax fine, and I get why they're in the "Big 4" but I'd say at this point, Pantera really deserves that 4th spot for all timers/popularity/quality/etc. They were releasing hair metal cheese in the 80s anyway, so they were around, therefore credentials legit
I don't think any of them have written a song that touches Holy Wars. Rust in Peace is front to back gold.
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Posted on 8/9/20 at 10:51 pm to UKWildcats
Apparently no one here has heard Risk. Even Mustaine doesn't like that one. Cryptic Writings isn't good either. The World Needs a Hero and The System Has Failed are both extremely generic. I've never heard actually heard anyone say they enjoy any of those albums. I know a lot of people seem to like Youthanasia but I can't figure out why. Its an even more watered down version of Countdown to Extinction, which itself is a watered down version of the black album.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 11:27 pm to Brosef Stalin
Risk sucks, but it was specifically named that because it's what it was and Dave knew it. Totally disagree about Cryptic and System. Those are damn fine albums. World...yeah...its very meh. And Youthanisia is awesome. Elysian Fields? Cmon man....that song is amazing.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 12:25 am to Brosef Stalin
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Apparently no one here has heard Risk. Even Mustaine doesn't like that one. Cryptic Writings isn't good either. The World Needs a Hero and The System Has Failed are both extremely generic. I've never heard actually heard anyone say they enjoy any of those albums. I know a lot of people seem to like Youthanasia but I can't figure out why. Its an even more watered down version of Countdown to Extinction, which itself is a watered down version of the black album.
Risk was pretty terrible, Cryptic is a good record, World and System have some bangers on them and Youthanasia is a fantastic record. Countdown is a better album than the black album and it's not close. When the black album came out, I listened to it for about two weeks and then gave it to my younger brother. It just never connected with me at all, I thought the whole thing was cheesy.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 6:14 am
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:29 am to Brosef Stalin
You know Brosef I have always respected your take on metal, but you are wrong on this one. Your arguments are making you look like the Lester Earl of the music board.
But I do agree Risk was bad.
But I do agree Risk was bad.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 7:12 am to Bayouboogaloocrew
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Your arguments are making you look like the Lester Earl of the music board.
Damn!! That’s gotta sting.
I agree though. I’ve always respected Brosef’s takes as well. He differs on this one and likes Metallica’s post Justice music more than most it appears. That’s all good though. Matter of opinion.
Lester Earl. LOL. Ouch.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 7:36 am to LSU Jax
I figured that would get him riled up, but maybe that’s a little harsh. My bad Brosef. Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:42 am to Brosef Stalin
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Apparently no one here has heard Risk. Even Mustaine doesn't like that one. Cryptic Writings isn't good either. The World Needs a Hero and The System Has Failed are both extremely generic. I've never heard actually heard anyone say they enjoy any of those albums. I know a lot of people seem to like Youthanasia but I can't figure out why. Its an even more watered down version of Countdown to Extinction, which itself is a watered down version of the black album.
Don't disagree. As I said earlier, when you release 15 albums, something is going to suck eventually.
However, since those have been released, you have the following:
United Abominations - I love this album. I like every song on it.
Endgame - Probably my third or fourth favorite Megadeth album. I like every song on this one.
Dystopia - Love this one and can't wait for more writing with Kiko
Thirteen - Another solid effort with maybe one or two songs that are "Meh"
Posted on 8/11/20 at 10:45 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Endgame is the only album I've liked since Countdown. Dystopia was slightly above average.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 11:27 am to Bayouboogaloocrew
I was Metallica to the core when evolving my metal fandom and hated anything Megadeth and Dave (mostly because I hated his voice).
I have evolved and realize that Megadeth has the most musical quality and complexity out of all the Big 4. The Friedman stuff was incredible (especially in the context of metal) and even Dave's playing makes Kirk look like a child. I still prefer Metallica overall but understand Megadeth's importance now.
Just like any band around that long, they've put out their share of crap but look at Maiden and Priest's catalogs. Tons of shite in there.
Never really liked Slayer but understood their place in the Big 4.
Agree that Pantera should be in the Big 4 over Anthrax.
I have evolved and realize that Megadeth has the most musical quality and complexity out of all the Big 4. The Friedman stuff was incredible (especially in the context of metal) and even Dave's playing makes Kirk look like a child. I still prefer Metallica overall but understand Megadeth's importance now.
Just like any band around that long, they've put out their share of crap but look at Maiden and Priest's catalogs. Tons of shite in there.
Never really liked Slayer but understood their place in the Big 4.
Agree that Pantera should be in the Big 4 over Anthrax.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 2:27 pm to metallica81788
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Agree that Pantera should be in the Big 4 over Anthrax.
But the Big 4 is meant as the Big 4 of thrash metal. Pioneers of the genre. That alone disqualifies Pantera. They didn’t make their hey and become worth a shite until the 90s.
I think any conversation about who belongs in the Big 4 instead of Anthrax would have to involve Exodus, Testament, and possibly Overkill. Not that it would ever even happen but if it did my vote would go to Exodus. They might be my favorite thrash band of all time over all others.
Posted on 8/11/20 at 4:32 pm to LSU Jax
Dave is a far better guitarist than any player in Slayer or Metallica ever. And Rust in Peace is a masterpiece.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:18 am to metallica81788
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Agree that Pantera should be in the Big 4 over Anthra
Totally agree, Pantera was also metal AF when Metallica went all St Anger on the fans.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 6:32 pm to Brosef Stalin
Risk is a throw away. Cryptic Writings is a good album and countdown to extinction is a good album.
I love megadeth. That said, Dave mustaine fanboys always overstate his importance to Kill Em All. Sure, he was important to it but not as much as they say. Off the top of my head he helped write 4 songs from KEA. Phantom Lord is mostly his. Four Horsemen is like half his. Metallica made so many changes to his version. Mustaine wrote all the solos on the early Kill em all demos, but Kirk rewrote all of those outside of the first few chords, which he used as a starting off point.
I love megadeth. That said, Dave mustaine fanboys always overstate his importance to Kill Em All. Sure, he was important to it but not as much as they say. Off the top of my head he helped write 4 songs from KEA. Phantom Lord is mostly his. Four Horsemen is like half his. Metallica made so many changes to his version. Mustaine wrote all the solos on the early Kill em all demos, but Kirk rewrote all of those outside of the first few chords, which he used as a starting off point.
Posted on 8/13/20 at 9:15 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Rust in Peace is up there with Metallica and Slayer's best stuff and Peace Sells is really good. Other than that Megadeth has been slightly above average at best.
Countdown and Youth are just average at best?
Posted on 8/20/20 at 1:52 pm to djsdawg
Posted on 8/20/20 at 3:17 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Apparently no one here has heard Risk.
I fricking love Risk. Not typical Megadeth, but I like a variety of music and the songs hold up.
This post was edited on 8/20/20 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:21 pm to Wrenchruh
All this love for Rust in Peace...I don’t deny that Holy Wars is a masterpiece, but So Far, So Good is my favorite Megadeth album. Hook in Mouth is probably my favorite Megadeth song (though Holy Wars is technically superior) and both Mary Jane and In My Darkest Hour are near the top for me.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:38 pm to UKWildcats
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Pantera really deserves that 4th spot for all timers/popularity/quality/etc.
Pantera wasn't a thrash band. The Big 4 are the 4 biggest thrash bands.
And Anthrax is highly underrated today.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:47 am to TigrrrDad
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but So Far, So Good is my favorite Megadeth album.
I used really love SFSGSW, but the last time I tried to listen to it, all the reverb that was put everywhere ruined it for me. I’ll give it another try because there are some way baddass songs on there.
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