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re: Is this Fender Strat (MIM) a good deal for $499?

Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/1/20 at 12:19 pm to
Having played on all numbers of squires, american, and mexican fenders, I can make a few things clear:
Squires are very solid guitars, but if you’re serious about gigging, you will need to upgrade the nut and tuners because they tend to have a lot of trouble staying in tune.
Mexican strats are great guitars that stay in tune and play well, but those weird hybrid strat/teles (Nashville player tele) isn’t fantastic.
The big noticeable difference between an American fender and the lower tier offerings is the tone. The pickups are just vastly superior. I have compared these guitars side by side and a Nashville player tele sounds night and day from a real American tele.

So, to recap:
Squire: playable, decent tone, intonation issues
Mexican: playable, slightly better tone, improved intonation
American: playable, significantly better tone, excellent intonation
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49476 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 4:39 pm to
Don't forget the 1980s MIJ fender
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69286 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 5:01 pm to
I don’t think I’ve ever played one of those, tbh
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 5:02 pm to
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1980s


Ahhh yes it was the 1980s. Shreveport Music Co. had a used one that I really wanted but it sold right before I was able to afford it lol. But the gentlemen's post at the top of this page is correct. I got the MIM telecaster because it was cheap and I wanted something to try to tinker with to get a 1960s/1970s country/Waylon sound with (in my living room lol I don't play in bands or anything). But it really all will come down to how much you are willing to spend and how serious of a player you are (learning/hobby/gigging/professional/etc.). Any guitar is better than no guitar. Keep us posted on what you end up getting.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49476 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:15 pm to
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I don’t think I’ve ever played one of those, tbh


A friend of mine's older brother had one back in the day, I remember being like 13 and the neck making my hand feel huge. I had been mainly playing on an early 70s goldtop LP at that point.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 7:52 pm to
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an early 70s goldtop LP


Still have that one? Those are quite exquisite pieces.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:12 pm to



My Fender Partscaster
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49476 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 8:57 pm to
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Still have that one? Those are quite exquisite pieces.


No, that one also belonged to my friends brother. His older brothers were in their 20s when we were very young teenagers. Thats how I got into music. They were in metal bands and I had been helping set up with live shows since I started hanging out at his house. Was badass music, Neo Geo AES and stealing their roaches from ashtrays..I loved the early 90s.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:02 pm to
Wow that is a beautiful guitar. Love the darker burst man that's nice. And Clint, no doubt those gold tops are so nice. I hope to buy one someday but a used one that is actually from the 60s-early 80s. All these nice guitars be expensive though.

Edit: also the pearly pick guard is my favorite on the tele style bodies.
This post was edited on 12/1/20 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3460 posts
Posted on 12/1/20 at 10:06 pm to
quote:


Reverb - Fender Deluxe Players Stratocaster with Rosewood Fretboard 2005 - 2016 3-Color Sunburst\



quote:
The Fender Deluxe Players Stratocaster Electric Guitar gives you classic Strat sound and feel in a beautiful package. This luxurious model is upgraded with American-made Vintage Noiseless pickups, medium-jumbo frets, and a 12" neck radius. As a result, it sounds fantastic and plays easy. It also is equipped with a push-button pickup switch (in addition to the usual toggle) that gives you 7 pickup combinations. Other deluxe features include a vintage-style synchronized tremolo, vintage-style tuners and gold-plated hardware throughout.


Features
Classic Strat style with body in a choice of great finishes
Comfortable modern C-shaped maple neck with 12" radius and 21 medium-jumbo frets
3 Vintage Noiseless single-coil pickups with advanced wiring for 7 pickup configurations
Traditional Vintage-style synchronized tremolo
Gold-plated hardware

Specifications
4-ply brown shell pickguard
12" neck radius
Modern C-shaped maple neck
21 medium-jumbo frets
Gold-plated hardware
3 Vintage Noiseless single-coil pickups
Push-button switch activates bridge pickup in positions 4 and 5 of blade switch for 7 pickup configurations
Vintage-style synchronized tremolo
Vintage-style tuners



















The Deluxe Players Strats are very, very nice and highly regarded.

The neck and body are nice, and the pickups are the American Noiseless Vintage pu's, and this guitar has 7-way switching - that extra little white switch engages the bridge pickup when you're in position 1 (neck) giving you Neck + Bridge like a Telecaster or in position 2 (neck+middle) giving you all three, which I think is jazzmaster-ish or maybe Rickenbackery or Gretchy...

I bought a used American Highway 1 Strat, which was introduced at the same time as the opposite of the Deluxe Player... the Highway 1 has a nice American neck and body and then awful cheap everything else.

I stripped it and put all of my prefered components on it, including a loaded pickguard from a Deluxe Player Strat! So my main Strat these days has these pickups/wiring, and it rocks.

The Highway 1 and Deluxe Player went for very close to the same amount of money... IME the Deluxe Player was good to go right out of the box but the Highway 1 wasn't giggable until I'd swapped out everything from the tuning machines to the trem block. I guess people just prefered the "Made In America" tag more than anything practical...

In short, in my opinion as a dude who's gigged for decades and has a batch of guitars, yes, the Deluxe Player Strat is worth $499. And I'm personally not a fan of gold hardware on guitars but...
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1344 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:54 am to
The MIJ Fender stuff has been ghost-built for Fender by FujiGen Gakki and Dyna Gakki for the most part since the early 1980s and it is consistently excellent and off the charts for bang for the buck.

The initial MIJ stuff was branded "Squier by Fender." Those MIJ strats are among the best strats ever made IMHO. They look, they sound, they even smell like the best incarnation of a 70s strat you have ever experienced. Definitely better than 95 percent of the actual CBS Fender pieces you may have been around.

Fender later put the Fender name and snuck a "Made in Japan" decal on the headstock or the plate. That changed to "Crafted in Japan" in more recent years. The "Squier" name sat dormant and unused until it was moved to the discount and beginner lines.

Nowadays, MIM Fender is the intermediate line for the Western Hemisphere. MIJ Fender is the intermediate and to a degree the pro line in Asia, Europe and Australia, but plenty of MIJs penetrate the USA market.

Regardless of the decade, the MIJ attention to material selection and overall craftsmanship has remained meticulous and consistent piece to piece. How much so? When Fender tried to really tap into the vintage pre-CBS craze in the early 1990s (peak market/value window), they vested heavily in vintage reissues in both their MIA and their MIJ lines. And dealers, collectors and aficionados alike laughed when the lines debuted because the MIJs were more pre-CBS accurate than the MIAs, in both general specs AND overall tone and playability. While the Americans made a look-alike, the Japanese made a clone and a grand slam home run at that.

If we were talking MIJ strat for $499, get it in a heartbeat. "Game Over" moment.

Edited to add a relevant link ... More on Fender Japan
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 11:12 am
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39669 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 6:30 pm to
What are the pros vs cons of buying new/used?
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 2:07 pm to
Listen to the expert most definitely, but a few considerations for new vs. used in my opinion would primarily be based on what are you using it for (learning, gigging, playing around, recording) and if its a specific sound or type of guitar you are looking for. Sometimes people will look for specific guitars from certain time periods when they were manufactured in a certain way/used a certain type of wood/certain type of fretboard/hardware/etc.) stuff like that. Or, even someone may think a certain model was of better quality than what is currently being offered new. Sometimes, its just finding a great deal or wanting one in a pinch to play with.

Edit: also there is a big following for true "vintage" instruments, especially guitars, so sometimes one may find one being sold (pawn shop, etc.) where they don't really realize what they have.

New: you can't really go wrong but I would do some research on the specific brand and model and see what other players have to say about it.
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 2:10 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
69286 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 2:24 pm to
Guitars are sorta like cars in that they depreciate as soon as you buy them, but not nearly as badly. A new guitar will be free from any cosmetic blemishes where there will typically be little scratches and dents on something used. Sometimes, the prices don’t go down much for the used stuff. The better the guitar is, the better the resale value likely will be, so the less of a discount you can get on the secondary market.

The other advantage to buying new is that many companies selling new merchandise offer low interest or interest free financing, which can be a big help.
Posted by carrguitar
Member since Oct 2014
946 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 2:43 pm to
I just sold this model except it was a translucent blusih green finish with gold hardware....I bought it for $350 and sold it for $350. The noiseless pickups were good but it just didn't feel right for me.

Also the gold hardware was a huge turnoff

Point being, you can find these models for cheaper if you're not in a super rush and this is the model you want.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27574 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 5:14 pm to
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What are the pros vs cons of buying new/used?




Upgrades. You can't really get all your $$ for the upgrades. Some people put higher end hardware (gold tuners) or pickups. But you are still selling a 2004 or whenever Strat, LP, or Epiphone.

For instance.... Subtle brag. I bought an Agile guitar. A 3010 model used. It is their LP "style" guitar. It is a tank, heavy and solid. Came with Grover tuners and graph tech nut and saddle, in addition the first owner had Seymour Duncan "Slash" PU's put in. I paid $330 for it. The PUs are a $150 upgrade I believe? And you wont get an Epiphone with graph tech anything or Grovers.

To buy a Gibson of equal heft and substance I'd be into REAL Gibson price territory. 2 Grand I guess.

Not trying to say I have a Les Paul clone or anything, but it is better by far than anything I could buy from Gison/Epiphone for 300 bucks and change.

The hunt is half the fun for me, or a sickness. It took me 9 months to a year to find and buy that guitar WITH the money already in hand.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49476 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 6:58 pm to
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Not trying to say I have a Les Paul clone or anything, but it is better by far than anything I could buy from Gison/Epiphone for 300 bucks and change.


Im still wanting to get a Burny or Edwards Les Paul and to all the things to it that I'm hesitant to do to an older Gibson.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27574 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 7:19 pm to
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I'm hesitant to do to an older Gibson.


Me too. I have no idea when they were good or bad? Other than holy grail 59-61 date LPs with the price tag of a home.

Is a late 60’s good?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30926 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 7:29 pm to
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If we were talking MIJ strat for $499, get it in a heartbeat. "Game Over" moment.

I've got one of the Japanese Fender Reissue 69 blue flower paisley telecasters, like you said, it doesn't just look like an old telly, it feels, sounds and plays just like an old one, even the knobs and position switch feel right.
Posted by BorrisMart
La
Member since Jul 2020
9021 posts
Posted on 12/3/20 at 7:34 pm to
I'm not an expert but from a quick google, it seems the 1968's have a pretty big following on some music message boards. I should learn more about the LP history as it seems to be a pretty interesting evolution.

Edit: @auggie, yeh I'm pissed I missed out on the one in Shreveport a few years back. It was a lot of fun to play and felt great in the hands.
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 7:36 pm
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