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How ahead of their time was Black Sabbath?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:53 am
Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:53 am
I can't imagine what people thought when they came out. Listening to War Pigs right now and it's just timeless, got groove and everything with it. I sometimes forget how awesome Sabbath was.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:13 am to Brazos
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How ahead of their time was Black Sabbath?
They're left out of every conversation about the forefathers of grunge just because they invented it 20+ years before grunge happened.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:17 am to Brazos
They certainly music in a darker direction, or at least were the first band to have some success doing it. They didn't really hit their metal stride until Master of Reality though.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:31 am to Green Chili Tiger
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They're left out of every conversation about the forefathers of grunge just because they invented it 20+ years before grunge happened.
How do you figure that? Sure, their drop tuning was used throughout grunge and Kim Thayil was clearly influenced by Iommi's guitar-playing.
However, grunge has always been strongly influenced by indie, punk, and alternative scenes of the early '80s, which is something Black Sabbath has absolutely no connection to.
Lyrically speaking, Sabbath's foreboding and ominous subject matter deals little with the introspective lyrical content prevalent throughout most of grunge.
Bands like the Minutemen and the Melvins had much more direct impacts on grunge than anything in metal.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:46 am to Brazos
Best ever and set the tone for most all of my favorite bands through the years.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 10:53 am to Brazos
The Who, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Black Sabbath were the major innovators of heavy metal and all subsequent subgenres due to their active and loud sound, commercial success and imagery they projected that resonated with the music-consuming public. It elevated what The Beatles and Stones began to another level.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:37 am to ThePTExperience1969
I would certainly add Cream to that list of early contributors to what would eventually evolve to metal.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:38 am to ThePTExperience1969
Ozzy's favorite band is The Beatles. Iommi's biggest influences are all old American blues musicians. Geezer Butler brought the doom and gloom. Zeppelin, and The Beatles to a lesser extent, had elements of all of these but Sabbath combined them in a unique way. Page's fascination with Aleister Crowley and evil stuff didn't really come out in their music as much as it did in Sabbath. They just had an evil vibe about them.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:46 am to Brazos
I sometimes think about how horrified folks must have been in 1970 the first time they heard the song "Black Sabbath". It makes me a little uneasy today.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 12:07 pm to HogX
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I sometimes think about how horrified folks must have been in 1970 the first time they heard the song "Black Sabbath". It makes me a little uneasy today.
I remember listening to Sabbath's 'Sabotage' in the mid/late 70's. That shite was scary and so bizarre to hear as a pre teen. Symptom Of The Universe, Am I Going Insane, Megalomania, and The Writ. It was, and still is so evil sounding. Amazing for those times; amazing for these times.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:07 pm to tigermeat
When I was a kid in the 70s Black Sabbath was music for serious druggies and criminals. I'm not being hyperbolic about that, you would be judged kind of harshly by most people for being into it. It wasn't until the 80s when people could really view it with a detached hindsight appreciation that it was seen as just music and not a troubling red flag to be concerned about.
I still get the impression when I listen to it today about how stigmatizing it was. It carries a far darker vibe than later more aggressive music that was made after it was deemed acceptable to do that.
I still get the impression when I listen to it today about how stigmatizing it was. It carries a far darker vibe than later more aggressive music that was made after it was deemed acceptable to do that.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 2:19 pm to HogX
That riff, to me, is the heaviest thing ever written. Slayer may have been more overt with their Satan stuff, but the tone and writing in that song sounds more evil than anything any death metal band could ever write. Mater of Reality is where I think Sabbath was clicking on all levels, which is why it's their heaviest album. Those fricking riffs are awesome.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:25 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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you would be judged kind of harshly by most people for being into it.
My parents were conservative for the most part. Amazed that they really didn't blink an eye. But you're right, amongst my classmates, and probably my teachers, the musical tastes of me and my close friends were definitely frowned upon. All the girls in my class absolutely thought we were big pot heads.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 3:43 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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you would be judged kind of harshly by most people for being into it.
Metal still has this perception. Nothing has changed.
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It wasn't until the 80s when people could really view it with a detached hindsight appreciation that it was seen as just music and not a troubling red flag to be concerned about.
I don't know about that. Judas Priest was put on trial in the 80s for making some guys kill themselves and then you had the whole PMRC trying to blacklist bands like WASP. Then in the 90s you had all the Christian groups losing their minds over Marilyn Manson and then blaming him for Columbine. Heavy music has always had a negative connotation thanks in part to Black Sabbath but bands like Slayer, Cannibal Corpse, and Marilyn Manson carried that tradition in later decades.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:04 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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The Who, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Black Sabbath were the major innovators of heavy metal and all subsequent subgenres due to their active and loud sound, commercial success and imagery they projected that resonated with the music-consuming public. It elevated what The Beatles and Stones began to another level.
Deep Purple is the most overlooked influence by fans IMO (Blackmore influence more metal guitar players than anyone)... maybe not grunge so much, but heavy metal for sure. Sabbath was the heaviest and purist metal band of the late 60s... and the most influential "heavy sound" in the genre.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:56 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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They're left out of every conversation about the forefathers of grunge just because they invented it 20+ years before grunge happened.
yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
But black sabbath is awesome. I remember listening to paranoid on LSD in the early 90s and it blew my mind.
I hung out with the metal kids in HS, but we never touched sabbath just led zep, metallica, slayer, pink floyd, megadeath, pantera (yuck). I really can't listen to those other bands these days, but I can listen to black sabbath.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:01 pm to HogX
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I sometimes think about how horrified folks must have been in 1970 the first time they heard the song "Black Sabbath". It makes me a little uneasy today.
Yep. Haunting AF.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 9:24 pm to Brazos
Black Sabbath was not ahead of their time. They were, in fact, right on time.
Also, despite their sound, their message was not of evil, but rather how to recognize, confront, and destroy evil. Listen to the lyrics more carefully. War Pigs, Iron Man, and Into The Void are good examples of this.
Also, despite their sound, their message was not of evil, but rather how to recognize, confront, and destroy evil. Listen to the lyrics more carefully. War Pigs, Iron Man, and Into The Void are good examples of this.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:36 am to Brosef Stalin
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Metal still has this perception. Nothing has changed.
It does to a degree but it most certainly has changed. My original point was that the perception was closer to the truth back then. As of the 80s and afterward, that kind of music was just a style, just another genre. There was a much higher percentage of the fans who were functional and comparatively wholesome type people after metal became a commodity of MTV.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 6:16 pm to RockAndRollDetective
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When I was a kid in the 70s Black Sabbath was music for serious druggies and criminals...
Growing up in that time, I tend to agree with this statement!...
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