re: Has anyone on this board ever attended a Babymetal concert?

I wouldn’t call Rihanna a “band” either.

But I also don’t think solo artists with a touring band are a valid comparison to a contrived musical act.

And Rihanna is a pop act. I don’t really give a shite what she does. But metal fans I expect more from.

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I'm not a metal fan so maybe that's why I like Babymetal.

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This says a lot. Makes sense.

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What more do you expect from metal fans than what Babymetal gives them?

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I certainly don’t speak for metal fans, but the ones I know (including myself) tend to hate any sort of fakery and don’t respect contrived acts.

Metal fans hated hair metal for much of these reasons and many of those bands were fantastic musicians. But many of them were also contrived and fake.

Several bands have started as a contrived or fake band but grew into a good band.

Perhaps the best example is The Monkees.

My entire point, which appears to have gotten lost, is that Baby Metal is not a band, but a musical act. Which is fine. I never made a single comment about their music, the quality or their talent.

I simply said they are a contrived act, similar to many extremely successful groups such as the Backstreet Boys and many K-Pop groups.

There is nothing wrong with that, if that is your thing. But apparently people got their feelings hurt that I don't consider Baby Metal to be the same thing as a regular metal band. I don't even think that's a controversial opinion. It seems obvious.

At the beginning of the Monkees career they were fake but not for their entire career as a band.

According to Google, "The Monkees started as a "fake" band but evolved into a real one. Producers cast them to star in a 1960s sitcom about a struggling rock group. While they were all talented, they didn't play instruments on their first two albums and had their songs written for them.The Monkees eventually rebelled, taking full creative control over their music."

"Michael Nesmith and Peter Tork were the most accomplished musicians in The Monkees. Both had professional backgrounds in music prior to the show. Micky Dolenz and Davy Jones were hired primarily as actors, though Dolenz became a skilled drummer and both were talented lead vocalists."

Here's some other comments about The Monkees.

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The musical breakdown for each member is as follows:
Peter Tork: A seasoned multi-instrumentalist from the Greenwich Village folk scene. He was proficient on guitar, bass, banjo, and keyboards and is widely considered the most skilled musician in the group.

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Michael Nesmith: An established singer-songwriter before the show who penned hits for other artists (such as "Different Drum" by Linda Ronstadt). He was an accomplished guitarist and the most vocal about the band taking creative control.

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Micky Dolenz: Cast primarily as an actor, he quickly learned to play the drums to play live and eventually provided lead vocals for many of the band's biggest hits, like "I'm a Believer" and "Daydream Believer."

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Davy Jones: A trained actor, singer, and dancer who had starred on Broadway in Oliver!. While he could play guitar and drums, his primary role was as a frontman, singer, and heartthrob.

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While Wikipedia notes that the group initially only provided vocals over tracks recorded by session musicians (like The Wrecking Crew), the band successfully fought for the right to write their own songs and play their own instruments on later albums, starting with Headquarters.

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I'll check them out but I don't need anyone to tell me what bands are great bands. I've been doing quite well determining who's a great band on my own.

Their concerts are a lot of fun. Saw them with Black Veil Brides.


Electric Callboy did their collab song with them at their concert a few weeks back. They have a huge laser screen behind their stage and were able to do essentially holograms of Babymetal during the song. Worked quite well.

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I'll check them out but I don't need anyone to tell me what bands are great bands. I've been doing quite well determining who's a great band on my own.

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Says the guy who has spent 4 pages telling other people what a great band is.

You're obsessed with the metal version of Hannah Montana. Congrats.