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Fx loop built into amps
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 7/6/21 at 10:40 pm
What’s the benefit of running your pedals through the fx loop in your amp?
I ordered some extra cables from Amazon to try this today and I didn’t get anything different than I had before running my pedals through the front of the amp. I only ran my flashback x4 multi delay and my skysurfer reverb through the fx loop (got a little static so might need to play with the cords). I have my orange fuzz, tube screamer, blues driver, badazz distortion and wah and boss tuner going through front of amp.
Am I missing something with the fx loop?
I ordered some extra cables from Amazon to try this today and I didn’t get anything different than I had before running my pedals through the front of the amp. I only ran my flashback x4 multi delay and my skysurfer reverb through the fx loop (got a little static so might need to play with the cords). I have my orange fuzz, tube screamer, blues driver, badazz distortion and wah and boss tuner going through front of amp.
Am I missing something with the fx loop?
Posted on 7/6/21 at 11:09 pm to The Dunder Mifflin
The fx loop gives you the flexibility to have your effects placed before or after your amp in the chain. This can be especially important when utilizing the drive channel on your amp and time-based effects (delay, reverb, chorus, flanger, phaser, etc) on your pedal board. Some effects sound very different before distortion verses after. Imagine your amp is set to distort your guitar tone. Do you want the amp to distort your reverb or do you want the reverb to echo your distorted tone? Effects not in the loop will have the distortion added to them. Effects in the loop will be added on top of the distorted tone. This is also really helpful for stacking drive pedals or using pre-amp pedals.
On a typical pedal board, my guitar goes into my tuner, then pitch modulation, then eq, then wah, then drive pedals (boosf, od, distortion, fuzz, etc), then chorus/phase/flange, then delay/tremolo/reverb, then finally looper before going into the clean amp.
However, if some of your drive is coming from your amp, you would stick the tuner, pitch modulation, eq, and wah where they would normally go, but put everything that was behind the drive pedals in the effects loop.
On a typical pedal board, my guitar goes into my tuner, then pitch modulation, then eq, then wah, then drive pedals (boosf, od, distortion, fuzz, etc), then chorus/phase/flange, then delay/tremolo/reverb, then finally looper before going into the clean amp.
However, if some of your drive is coming from your amp, you would stick the tuner, pitch modulation, eq, and wah where they would normally go, but put everything that was behind the drive pedals in the effects loop.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:03 am to The Dunder Mifflin
Kingbob's explanation is very good. Here is a short article with a link to a video explaining it as well
Guitar World
Guitar World
Posted on 7/7/21 at 5:45 pm to johnqpublic
The loop is the bridge between the amp's preamp and the power amp. Think of your amp's preamp as just another stompbox in your signal chain. Your clean channel preamp is like a clean boost/eq hybrid, and your dirty channel preamp is like a OD or distortion stompbox.
Then think of what pedals would sound good behind the above, and experiment with running them through the loop. Anything you run before your distortion or OD effects will rarely sound good through the loop in my experience.
But the golden rule with multiple effects, how to chain them, what goes and doesn't go in the loop, is THERE ARE NO RULES. Experiment and do what YOU like and what YOU think sounds best.
I probably have every popular time, modulation and/or ambience effect in my stomp collection. And the only thing I like in my loop is a digital delay. Everything else is out front.
Then think of what pedals would sound good behind the above, and experiment with running them through the loop. Anything you run before your distortion or OD effects will rarely sound good through the loop in my experience.
But the golden rule with multiple effects, how to chain them, what goes and doesn't go in the loop, is THERE ARE NO RULES. Experiment and do what YOU like and what YOU think sounds best.
I probably have every popular time, modulation and/or ambience effect in my stomp collection. And the only thing I like in my loop is a digital delay. Everything else is out front.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:21 pm to TheFretShack
quote:
But the golden rule with multiple effects, how to chain them, what goes and doesn't go in the loop, is THERE ARE NO RULES. Experiment and do what YOU like and what YOU think sounds best.
This. I like to put my wah in front of my gain while a lot of people like it on the other side.
I sometimes like to put my delay in between a drive pedal and my amp to get this really exaggerated syncopated delay that reminds me of U2 or Angels & Airwaves. Just keep experimenting and having fun with it. That’s the goal.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 8:44 pm to The Dunder Mifflin
quote:
Am I missing something with the fx loop?
If your running your amp clean and using pedals for your distortion, then no your not missing anything imo.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 9:13 pm to Easye921
This including all other pedals if you're running into the input of a clean amp.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 5:38 pm to rexorotten
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This including all other pedals if you're running into the input of a clean amp.
Yup. I run all my pedals, including delays and reverbs into the front of the amp.
Posted on 7/8/21 at 6:34 pm to The Dunder Mifflin
You generally want your delays, reverbs, and chorus after your distortion. If you're using your amps overdrive channel then the effects loop let's you put those after the preamp (where the distortion comes from) and before the power amp.
If you only run clean or you only use overdrive/distortion pedals then you can run all your effects straight into the preamp.
You can run delays and reverbs before the distortion but it gives some strange results and most people prefer it the other way around.
If you only run clean or you only use overdrive/distortion pedals then you can run all your effects straight into the preamp.
You can run delays and reverbs before the distortion but it gives some strange results and most people prefer it the other way around.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 1:44 am to dbeck
My preamp has a loop and sends everything to the amp. Like was said, keeps the pre/dirt before the effects and it sounds really good.
When I first set up my board I didn’t know about loops and just chained everything. It sounded awful.
When I first set up my board I didn’t know about loops and just chained everything. It sounded awful.
This post was edited on 7/9/21 at 1:46 am
Posted on 7/9/21 at 6:33 am to The Dunder Mifflin
As a couple have talked about, the pre-amp and power amp, I assume you know exactly what these are and what they're doing?
Helps me if I see it in a diagram, then it makes more sense whats going on, which has already been explained. I hope this helps.
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Helps me if I see it in a diagram, then it makes more sense whats going on, which has already been explained. I hope this helps.
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Posted on 7/9/21 at 12:48 pm to The Dunder Mifflin
I have used the fx loop for modulation and delay. At home it sounds better to me, but in the mix playing live, it didn't seem to matter. Plus, running 4 long cables to make this work at a gig seemed to suck more tone than any gain from the fx loop.
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