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Posted on 8/27/25 at 3:53 pm to auggie
quote:It's fascinating that you continue to ignore the part where Summers was solely responsible for a piece of music Stings gets paid for.
They let someone else put forth all of the effort to accomplish things
I'd love to say I was surprised, but you're just dumb enough to keep on keeping on. 
Posted on 8/27/25 at 3:54 pm to AlxTgr
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You must be mentally challenged.
You must be an entitled wimp.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 3:55 pm to auggie
quote:Possible, but no way you could know one way or the other.
You must be an entitled wimp.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 3:59 pm to AlxTgr
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Possible, but no way you could know one way or the other.
truth is I don't care, you're a nobody to me.
Maybe one of your friends will be wildly successful at something, then you can sue them because y'all talked about it once.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 4:06 pm to auggie
Sting sued The suit you were asking for? Oh, and you're really dumb.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 4:17 pm to AlxTgr
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The suit you were asking for? Oh, and you're really dumb.
It seems that you don't understand the subject you are reading about.
Sting isn't the one who pays out royalties. That is handled by BMI, ASCAP or SESAC, and the royalties are paid to the writers of the song.
If those guys wrote part of the song, they should have been making sure they received credit.
Maybe they had other, more fun things to do instead of taking care of business.
Posted on 8/27/25 at 4:19 pm to auggie
Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:53 pm to auggie
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Sting would've made it just fine with any other drummer and guitar player.
Sting was 27, I believe, and had been trying to make it for quite a while but had not gotten anywhere beyond pubs in his hometown before he joined Copeland's "punk" band, The Police.
Copeland had been the drummer in a prog/fusion band called Curved Air that had records and toured internationally.
Summers had been in tons of bands (including The Animals) and had recentlt been Neil Sedaka's guitarist for a few years when he joined The Police.
Sting was the least successful of the 3 at the outset.Even he gives Stewart Copeland credit for him getting anywhere, along with Copeland's brothers, Miles who was their manager and owned the record label they started on, as well as IRS records, that launched The Go Go's, R.E.M., The Bangles, etc.) and Ian (who was their booking agent). Sting had many of those songs written years before, but nobody had any interest in them.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 8:11 am to Lee B
KISS and Vinnie Vincent. Wrote classic songs with them but what a kook.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 9:09 am to auggie
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Sting would've made it just fine with any other drummer and guitar player.
I'm enjoying your argument, but this is false.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 11:05 am to Lee B
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Sting had many of those songs written years before,
I think this is a key point here.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 11:50 am to hogcard1964
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Sting would've made it just fine with any other drummer and guitar player.
I'm enjoying your argument, but this is false.
I don't think so. Eventually the cream rises to the top and a big part of that is drive and work ethic, along with talent. Sting has all of those things.
Sting would've found his path eventually no matter what happened.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 1:15 pm to auggie
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I don't think so. Eventually the cream rises to the top and a big part of that is drive and work ethic, along with talent. Sting has all of those things. Sting would've found his path eventually no matter what happened.
Its an interesting issue. On the one hand I think of Sting's solo work as evidence that he would have eventually made it working with others. But he was already famous then which definitely helped give the solo material a boost. I also think of the unique contributions of Andy Summers and especially Stuart Copeland. I don't know the answer.
I just read the Mike Campbell book and I often wonder the same thing...namely, would Tom Petty have made it to the top without Mike Campbell? I think that he probably would have done it without the other members of the Heartbreakers but I don't think it would have been the same thing with another guitar player other than Mike.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 1:24 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
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Its an interesting issue. On the one hand I think of Sting's solo work as evidence that he would have eventually made it working with others. But he was already famous then which definitely helped give the solo material a boost. I also think of the unique contributions of Andy Summers and especially Stuart Copeland. I don't know the answer.
I just read the Mike Campbell book and I often wonder the same thing...namely, would Tom Petty have made it to the top without Mike Campbell? I think that he probably would have done it without the other members of the Heartbreakers but I don't think it would have been the same thing with another guitar player other than Mike.
You're right, it is all interesting about the way things come about to make artists or bands successful...
But this lawsuit and thread are about, ownership/royalties for songs, how that works.
Does a guy own part of a song that somebody else wrote, just because he played a good guitar part on the recording? I don't think so.
The writer of the song owns the song and all royalties.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 1:42 pm to auggie
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Does a guy own part of a song that somebody else wrote, just because he played a good guitar part on the recording? I don't think so.
I guess it depends on how you define who "wrote" the song. Isn't the artist that contributes a distinctive and prominent instrumental element also a writer of the song? Did Sting say "Here, Andy, play this..." or did Andy himself compose the riff? Maybe there is a legal definition of a songwriter that addresses and squarely answers this issue. But as a layman it doesn't seem crazy to me that somebody who came up with a distinctive and prominent guitar part for a rock song could be considered a co-writer...particularly in this case where the issue is royalties from a sampled song where most/all of what was sampled is that distinctive guitar riff.
I'm just taking the other side of the argument. I don't know the answer
Posted on 8/28/25 at 2:02 pm to BabysArmHoldingApple
I look at it like this: If a person has a song already written, It's his song. Period.
If his band performs the song later, it's pretty much a cover, even if it's done a little differently. The writer(s) still own the song.
Coming up with unique parts are a performer/guitar players job, and that's what record/performance royalties are for. Song writing credit is for actually writing the song.
If his band performs the song later, it's pretty much a cover, even if it's done a little differently. The writer(s) still own the song.
Coming up with unique parts are a performer/guitar players job, and that's what record/performance royalties are for. Song writing credit is for actually writing the song.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 5:23 pm to auggie
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I don't think so. Eventually the cream rises to the top and a big part of that is drive and work ethic, along with talent. Sting has all of those things.
Sting would've found his path eventually no matter what happened.
Oh I agree with that. I just don't believe anyone can downplay how much Copeland and Summers added to their sound.
For proof listen to the Police and then listen to Sting's solo shite.
Posted on 8/28/25 at 7:26 pm to hogcard1964
quote:which is actual shite.
and then listen to Sting's solo shite.
and let’s not pretend sting’s songs with the police were some lyric masterpieces either
I can’t I can’t I can’t stand losing you
I can’t I can’t I can’t stand loooosing YOU
LOL
Posted on 8/29/25 at 10:34 am to auggie
Without Summers laying down the guitar parts in " Every Breath You Take" Sting is all the poorer. In fact no one denies that it was Summers who saved the track.
Also Copeland's drums and his " irregular beats" make The Police sound
Also Copeland's drums and his " irregular beats" make The Police sound
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