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Posted on 8/29/25 at 11:29 am to AlxTgr
That's why I have always admired.. by Berry, Buck, Mills, Stipe
Posted on 8/29/25 at 12:48 pm to TFTC
yes exactly
and they stayed together without animus, retired together as friends and brothers and did not smear their legacy with lawsuits and abuse
REM did it the right way, regardless of who actually “wrote” which song
and they stayed together without animus, retired together as friends and brothers and did not smear their legacy with lawsuits and abuse
REM did it the right way, regardless of who actually “wrote” which song
Posted on 8/29/25 at 12:53 pm to TFTC
quote:Saved them a lot of headache probably. I know people hate Billy Corrigan, but he said something in an interview that was very interesting to me. He was asked by the company rep who did the songwriting, and he said, just me. The reply was, oh, that's going to be a problem. Billy asked, why? Because you're going to make a lot more money than the others.
That's why I have always admired.. by Berry, Buck, Mills, Stipe
Posted on 9/13/25 at 1:51 pm to Kafka
The Turtles explain their managerial situation
Posted on 9/13/25 at 3:34 pm to Mizz-SEC
It's hard to keep track of how many times Neal Schon and Jonathan Cain have sued each other. Might be the most amicable series of lawsuits ever as it hasn't seemed to have affected their band relationship at all. 
Posted on 9/14/25 at 6:55 pm to Mizz-SEC
How loooong……has this been going oooonnnnn?
Ace with the moonlighting bass player.
Ace with the moonlighting bass player.
Posted on 10/27/25 at 6:22 pm to Kafka
Book review
The Mansion on the Hill: Dylan, Young, Geffen, Springsteen, and the Head-on Collision of Rock and Commerce by Fred Goodman (1997)
I recently finished this book. For anyone interested in the history of Rock, especially the business side, I have to call it a must-read.
The nominal premise is that R&R was all Age Of Aquarius in the '60s, then went greedy in the '70s. This dubious idea (Tin Pan Alley was always cutthroat) does allow the author to explore how the music business became so profitable in the '70s, even making more money than the movie business.
The title is somewhat misleading. Dylan is only peripheral to the story; we hear mostly about his manager, Albert Grossman, perhaps the first modern music manager, different from the ex carny barker Tom Parker and dilletante Brian Epstein. Young gets 1 chapter, as do The MC5. The final section of the book is devoted mostly to Springsteen.
The main characters are:
David Geffen, the agency mailroom boy who eventually became a billionaire through artist management and then starting his own label, pushing the El Lay "Yacht Rock" sound. He made his first million by shrewdly maneuvering to get 50% of his client Laura Nyro's advance, instead of his 15% manager's fee.
Jon Landau, the rather pretentious Boston rock critic who covers a little known artist opening for Bonnie Raitt and then writes the most influential review in rock history ("I have seen the future of Rock and Roll and it's name is Bruce Springsteen"). Landau works his way into Springsteen's good graces, co-producing his next album and eventually becoming his manager, guiding his client from confused early marketing (CBS wanted to sell him as a Dylanesque singer-songwriter, like so many of the Yacht Rock acts) to the carefully crafted image of "The Boss".
Even if you can't stand any of the aforementioned acts, it you're interested in the history of R&R you should read this book. It may answer some "Why on Earth did they do that?" questions
The Mansion on the Hill: Dylan, Young, Geffen, Springsteen, and the Head-on Collision of Rock and Commerce by Fred Goodman (1997)
I recently finished this book. For anyone interested in the history of Rock, especially the business side, I have to call it a must-read.
The nominal premise is that R&R was all Age Of Aquarius in the '60s, then went greedy in the '70s. This dubious idea (Tin Pan Alley was always cutthroat) does allow the author to explore how the music business became so profitable in the '70s, even making more money than the movie business.
The title is somewhat misleading. Dylan is only peripheral to the story; we hear mostly about his manager, Albert Grossman, perhaps the first modern music manager, different from the ex carny barker Tom Parker and dilletante Brian Epstein. Young gets 1 chapter, as do The MC5. The final section of the book is devoted mostly to Springsteen.
The main characters are:
David Geffen, the agency mailroom boy who eventually became a billionaire through artist management and then starting his own label, pushing the El Lay "Yacht Rock" sound. He made his first million by shrewdly maneuvering to get 50% of his client Laura Nyro's advance, instead of his 15% manager's fee.
Jon Landau, the rather pretentious Boston rock critic who covers a little known artist opening for Bonnie Raitt and then writes the most influential review in rock history ("I have seen the future of Rock and Roll and it's name is Bruce Springsteen"). Landau works his way into Springsteen's good graces, co-producing his next album and eventually becoming his manager, guiding his client from confused early marketing (CBS wanted to sell him as a Dylanesque singer-songwriter, like so many of the Yacht Rock acts) to the carefully crafted image of "The Boss".
Even if you can't stand any of the aforementioned acts, it you're interested in the history of R&R you should read this book. It may answer some "Why on Earth did they do that?" questions
Posted on 8/13/26 at 9:52 pm to Kafka
quote:A very informative video with lots of interesting detail -- if you can get past the AI narration (there is one hilarious frickup near the beginning)
Keith Richards called working with Klein "$25M worth of experience"
quote:
What does it really mean to own the Rolling Stones? Most people assume the biggest band in the world simply got rich off its music—but the truth is far stranger. In this video, we break down the complete economics of the Rolling Stones: how they went broke at the very top, who actually owned their greatest songs, and how a Bavarian prince rebuilt them into one of the wealthiest acts in history.
Discover how manager Allen Klein and his company ABKCO ended up owning the master recordings and publishing to "Satisfaction," "Paint It Black," and every hit from 1963 to 1971—songs the band still does not own today. See why Britain's punishing tax rates forced the Stones to flee the country in 1971 and record "Exile on Main St." in the South of France, and how their financial manager, Prince Rupert Loewenstein, moved their money into a web of Dutch companies that cut their effective tax rate to roughly 1.6 percent. We'll also break down the touring machine—the first major corporate-sponsored tour, Michael Cohl's industry-changing 1989 deal, and the $558 million "A Bigger Bang" tour that made them the highest-grossing act on earth.
Whether you're curious about finance, the music business, rock history, or how real fortunes are actually built and lost, this documentary-style explainer will give you a clear understanding of one of the most misunderstood money stories in music.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 10:14 pm to Kafka
Hell yeah, I'm going to watch that. Thanks.
Posted on 8/13/26 at 10:14 pm to Kafka
Hell yeah, I'm going to watch that. Thanks.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 9:59 am to Mizz-SEC
The Smiths history was pretty nasty post breakup.
I seem to remember the original drummer of Oasis suing the band after being ousted.
Say what you will about U2, but they did it the right way from the beginning. Split everything four ways.
quote:
Morrissey said in an interview eight months later: The court case was a potted history of the life of the Smiths. Mike [Joyce], talking constantly and saying nothing. Andy [Rourke], unable to remember his own name. Johnny [Marr], trying to please everyone and consequently pleasing no one. And Morrissey under the scorching spotlight in the dock being drilled. "How dare you be successful?" "How dare you move on?" To me, the Smiths were a beautiful thing and Johnny left it, and Mike has destroyed it.
I seem to remember the original drummer of Oasis suing the band after being ousted.
Say what you will about U2, but they did it the right way from the beginning. Split everything four ways.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 12:25 pm to kritra
quote:
Say what you will about U2, but they did it the right way from the beginning. Split everything four ways.
Same with Metallica.
Posted on 8/14/26 at 3:44 pm to shutterspeed
The pissing match between Roger Hodgson and the Late Rick Davies of Supertramp. A handshake deal that quickly disintegrated between the two of them. Davies promised not to play any of Hodgson's songs in concert and then realized that without some of those songs, Supertramp wasn't Supertramp anymore. So he and the remaining members did it anyway. Long feud that ended up in court until very recently.
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