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re: Your New Helen of Troy: Pic Released

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Posted by Madking
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:05 pm to
0 Greeks in a Greek epic “muh representation”
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 3:39 pm to
I mean. . .homer described them more than Helen

I'm not sayin. . .but I'm just sayin
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 5:55 pm to
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you are dug in hard on such a pathetic position it’s hilarious.
Your words are the position I am using

But I agree you are pathetic.

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If it wasn’t abundantly clear after my initial comment, the various follow ups made it undeniably clear it was hyperbole with reference to you “looking it up” - which you clearly did haha. You can use dating apps evidence, BLACK MENS own words, your eyes, etc
So your evidence is the dating app survey, and made up shite.

You are super racist. That isn't an epithet, but an astute observation of facts. You might as well own it.

Or cry and melt about it. . .which I guess is what you've settled on

Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:01 pm to
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It was a factual statement in the literal sense. Meaning it was a statement of objective fact, not one of opinion.
Jesus, this is just full retard

Your presumed homeschool teachers would be ashamed of you

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But by claiming its racist, you are either saying
A) If something is true, but "racist", it must not be acknowledged
B) Something cant be true, if its racist.
I reject the premise that it is, as you say, LITERALLY true

And I can also add that there is LITERALLY no way you can prove it is LITERALLY true, in a universal sense.

This entire post is stupid.
This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 6:06 pm
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:39 pm to
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I reject the premise that it is, as you say, LITERALLY true

And I can also add that there is LITERALLY no way you can prove it is LITERALLY true, in a universal sense.

This entire post is stupid.


fricking imbecile, I never claimed it was true or false. I said it was a statement of fact "In the literal sense"....which is EITHER true or false. Thats what a fact is. Some thing that is objectively true OR false. Im sorry you think fact means "true", and "literal" means really/definitely. Literal means in the simplest definition of the word.

Perhaps you need to examine your own education




Posted by EH Taylor
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 6:57 pm to
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and cast a ugly black chick as Helen of Troy.



Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:20 pm to
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I never claimed it was true or false. I said it was a statement of fact "In the literal sense"
A fact in ANY sense can't be false, or it is not a fact.

An objective fact is a fact that is true irrespective of the person perceiving it

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Im sorry you think fact means "true"
What the frick is this dipshit. . .alright, I can't with these fricking retards

Here is AI. . .luckily I didn't break it with Ernest Goes to Logic Camp over here

Google:

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By definition, a fact is an objective reality or statement that aligns with the truth. If a claim is proven false, it ceases to be a fact and becomes an inaccuracy or a falsehood


Grok:

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A fact is, by definition, a statement or piece of information that is verifiably true and corresponds to reality. If something is false, it isn't a fact—it's an error, a falsehood, a misconception, or (in stronger cases) a lie.

This is basically a tautology: calling something a "false fact" is self-contradictory, like saying "a square circle" or "married bachelor." People sometimes misuse the word "fact" for things they strongly believe or for contested claims, but that doesn't change the underlying logic.

Truth-seeking relies on this distinction. We test claims against evidence, and the ones that hold up become facts (or at least our best current approximations of them). Everything else gets discarded or labeled appropriately.

This post was edited on 6/18/26 at 7:26 pm
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:27 pm to
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Statements of fact can be proved or disproved with objective evidence, whereas statements of opinion depend on personal values and preferences. Distinguishing between these types of statements contributes to information competence. Conversely, failure at fact-opinion differentiation potentially brings resistance to corrections of misinformation and susceptibility to manipulation. Our analyses show that on fact-opinion differentiation tasks, unsystematic mistakes and mistakes emanating from partisan bias occur at higher rates than accurate responses. Accuracy increases with political sophistication. Affective partisan polarization promotes systematic partisan error: as views grow more polarized, partisans increasingly see their side as holding facts and the opposing side as holding opinions.


LINK

You are super confident in things you've done no research or study on lol. Good for you i guess.

A "statement of facts" or "factual statements" say nothing about the validity of the statement.



Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 6/18/26 at 7:30 pm to
Also you havent learned that AI will give you the answer based on the way you ask the question.

heres your same Google Gemini when i ask it

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Yes, it absolutely can be.

This sounds like a contradiction on the surface because we usually use the word "fact" to mean "something that is true." But in linguistics, law, and philosophy, a statement of fact doesn't mean the statement is automatically accurate—it just means the statement is capable of being proven true or false.

Think of it as the category of the statement, rather than its truth value.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/19/26 at 10:57 am to
But the premise that we are discussing as truth is here, Ernest:

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But by claiming its racist, you are either saying
A) If something is true, but "racist", it must not be acknowledged
B) Something cant be true, if its racist.
I reject it is true, because it isn't a fact that is verifiable. And his "fact" only requires 1 person to disagree to make it false, due to his usage of "universally".

But it is also racist, not because of it's truth or untruth. It is racist because the underlying premise is, in fact, a statement of racial superiority/inferiority based on a purely subjective standard begged as objective.

I never said he could not say it. I am not God. Just that it is racist to say that.

Were it true, it would still be racist. True things can still be racist. Speaking it means you are at least comfortable being perceived as racist

Not my fault some people get upset at being called racist. . .I don't.

Chris rock once said "'racist' is the n-word for white people"

Know what I mean, Verne?
This post was edited on 6/19/26 at 10:59 am
Posted by Hester Carries
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Posted on 6/20/26 at 5:17 pm to
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I reject it is true, because it isn't a fact that is verifiable. And his "fact" only requires 1 person to disagree to make it false, due to his usage of "universally".


the statement of fact that most people find black women least attractive among races?

Its, by definition, a verifiable claim. Just not practically verifiable, which is the case about all things that would be subject to a poll or survey.

The number of stars in the universe is an objectively measurable thing, that we will never be able to measure.

"Universally acknowledged" has never been understood to mean 100% of people. There isnt a fact or opinion that fits that definition.


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But it is also racist, not because of it's truth or untruth. It is racist because the underlying premise is, in fact, a statement of racial superiority/inferiority based on a purely subjective standard begged as objective.


And there it is. Option A. as i predicted.
Posted by DesScorp
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Posted on 6/20/26 at 6:14 pm to
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But my theory is Christopher Nolen thinks Lupita is exotically attractive and wanted something unique, rather than a younger version of Diane Kruger from Troy.



My theory is that Nolan wants woke Good Boy points, and decided to get a twofer with a black Helen and a Trans Achilles. This bullshite is Oscar Bait. He wants to stand before the cameras and be told he's stunning and brave.
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 6/20/26 at 8:21 pm to
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the statement of fact that most people find black women least attractive among races?

Its, by definition, a verifiable claim.


It is frightening how confidently people will argue while demonstrating for everyone to see that they do not understand what a fact is.
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 6/20/26 at 11:12 pm to
Lmao
Posted by JasonDBlaha
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 11:12 am to
Never in my life have I ever wanted a film to bomb so hard

Everything about this movie is an absolute disgrace and insult to the original Odyssey story
Posted by JasonDBlaha
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 11:15 am to
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I'm convinced after seeing Nolan cast a basset hound as Bruce Wayne's love interest and an ugly chick as Talia al Ghul


Marion Cotillard really isn’t all that bad looking

Maggie Gyllenhaal, on the other hand, that’s another story
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 11:17 am
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 11:52 am to
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he statement of fact that most people find black women least attractive among races?
No no, dear child.

He said "universally", not most

Only verifiable if you could honestly survey every person

I do appreciate the confidence of your ignorance, Verne

Gave me a chuckle

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And there it is. Option A. as i predicted.
Once again, confidence.

Once again patently false.

Your option A fails in it's assumption:

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A) If something is true, but "racist", it must not be acknowledged
I never said it shouldn't be acknowledged, just that it was racist

Let's break this down in simpler "Ernest" terms. maybe you will understand.

If something is true but insulting, should it be spoken? For this hypothetical (that means pretend scenario) we will assume it is objectively (which means everyone agrees) insulting.

That is up to the speaker. When you speak anything, you are open to the consequences of that speech, good or ill.

Now if you speak a thing that is insulting, and I say "that was insulting". . .you are saying I am trying to restrict and limit his speech?

In the words of Riley Freeman: That's not bullying, that was an astute observation

No, I am merely pointing out the fact that it is insulting. Are you saying that I should restrict my speech because I am accurately calling it "insulting"?

This is a circular trap.

And that is assuming what was said is true, which it this case likely is not.

Did I lose you anywhere? I can use ChatGPT to simplify it further if needed.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:00 pm to
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It is frightening how confidently people will argue while demonstrating for everyone to see that they do not understand what a fact is.
And he even got the statement wrong

He is hedged to "most" from "universally"

Here is the quote he is defending

quote:

Selects universally acknowledged least attractive demographic on planet earth


That is considerably different from "most", and certainly racist at a base level

LINK
This post was edited on 6/21/26 at 12:03 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:05 pm to
Someone needs to post the OKCupid data for him

I think it's banned and scrubbed from the Internet these days
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 6/21/26 at 12:18 pm to
I forgot the followup

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the collective opinions of the heterosexual male population of planet earth tells you it’s true.
I mean. . .with access to data like that

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