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re: X Men: Dark Phoenix on HBO... (spoilers)

Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:18 pm to
Dark Phoenix fulfilled X-franchise’s destiny, achieves Biggest Bomb of The Year

133 million!

Are any FoXmen Fanbois on here going to tell me that Marvel Studios/Disney buying this dying franchise wasn’t good for the IP?
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
28442 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:46 pm to
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I remember only one thing about this movie. There was a scene where Michael Fassbender had to outstretch his hands and grit his teeth while grunting loudly in order to stop something from crashing into him or some stupid thing. I remember thinking - how stupid does this guy feel while filming this scene? While he was doing his best “I’m taking a painful dump” acting here, was he considering in his mind that this was the low point of his career?


You just described a large part of all these super hero movies. People in goofy costumes waving their hands around like palsies. Ooh, look I have magic powers.
This post was edited on 4/28/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
37948 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:54 pm to
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Are any FoXmen Fanbois on here going to tell me that Marvel Studios/Disney buying this dying franchise wasn’t good for the IP?
If Marvel hadn't sold the film rights to Spider-Man and X-Men to other studios, we wouldn't have had the Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, or Avengers films. Marvel would've gone full steam with Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, X-Men, and those expanded universes. Those were their big three franchises. We got the Marvel Studios Universe because of the absence of their marquee players. Fox was a mixed bag at the end, with Deadpool going strong and X-Men fizzling out.

Did we get some movies that sucked from Sony and Fox? Sure. But we also got some great ones. Disney's X-Men will get a nice boost, but we'll get fewer and less diverse Marvel films when all is said and done.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 8:57 pm to
Ugh Disney buying Fox is what led it to being a bomb dude.

It was written in tandem with Apocalypse to launch the next wave of XMen movies but then was throw into limbo with the pending purchase so they had no choice but to throw together some butchered conclusion to the series. Didn’t help that every fanboy knew that and that it would have no last ramifications. Casual audiences were turned away because every review that wasn’t the typical elitist critic shitting on pop culture was basically a explanation of why the movie didn’t matter and was pointless to see because Disney owned the rights now.

So yeah sure it was a bomb. There was no other path for it.
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
41678 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:00 pm to
This is a big part of its failure. People knew this was the end of the X-Men franchise and Age of Apocalypse sucked so they just skipped this one. Its like how Solo was punished because TLJ sucked.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
37948 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:12 pm to
Would've been nice if the franchise had ended with Logan. But the timing was off and we ended up with a couple of lackluster movies and a New Mutants film that's in limbo.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
Member since Aug 2018
17925 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:22 pm to
Solo sucked as well
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
9810 posts
Posted on 4/28/20 at 9:25 pm to
good rocket sequence but story already done
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 4/28/20 at 11:02 pm to
What are you talking about goofball?

X-Men proper films were essentially the same thing over and over.

Only Logan and Deadpool were any different.

It’s a moot point anyway, a decade plus run of shitty movies, a complete failure with one of Marvel’s biggest IP (not to mention DD and Ghost Rider) all to eventually bend the knee and take their place in Marvel Studios.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83249 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:15 am to
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how is Magneto levitating around in this? If he's wearing a metal exoskeleton, it wasn't shown.

Not sure. Seems like at some point they just gave him flight instead of worrying about levitation on a piece of metal.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83249 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 1:25 am to
Was weird how no one remembered Jean being Phoenix in Apocalypse.

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I don't care about Raven/Mystique,


Me neither. No one did. But for some reason she was made into a lead character. She was an ancillary character in all my comics from the 80s and 90s.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23006 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 6:19 am to
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how is Magneto levitating around in this? If he's wearing a metal exoskeleton, it wasn't shown.


Not sure. Seems like at some point they just gave him flight instead of worrying about levitation on a piece of metal.
Yeah, they got creatively lazy with him. Just like the scene on the train where he takes all those rifles and points them at Chastain's character...

I remember in the older X Men movie, they did a real cool scene where he gets access to some metal from that enema they gave the guard. In that, he levitates on a disc of metal, and he doesn't need bullets from guns. He just makes some ball bearings and they whip around like bullets.

On the train, he had enough scrap metal just laying around that he didn't need a single rifle. Could have made a mini tornado of debris instead.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73258 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 7:15 am to
The reason Raven became huge is simple. With the first movie they locked the cast into a four film deal.
One member of the cast who was a relative unknown turned into a huge star. Even though she had a supporting role, her role was made primary because of the star.
The funny thing is the character by the second movie only wanted to be blue, but the actor only wanted to be without make up. So in the third she is less blue and in the fourth not blue much at all.


What really bothered me was....
How could Jean use the Phoenix to kill Apocalypse if she didn't get the powers until the next decade.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62960 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:20 am to
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One member of the cast who was a relative unknown turned into a huge star. Even though she had a supporting role, her role was made primary because of the star.


As someone else pointed out, that logic doesn't make a lot of sense. She was a major focus in First Class, and that movie came out before Hunger Games. It looks like they had already made the decision to make Mystique a focal point before Jennifer Lawrence was a star.
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 8:25 am
Posted by StealthCalais11
Lurker since 2007
Member since Aug 2011
12533 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:29 am to
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If Thor 4 or GOTG 3 doesn’t have a scene in which Stallone’s character whips Thor back into shape Rocky style, then do we really need anymore MCU movies?

Forward this directly to Jon Favreau NOW
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 8:30 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62960 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 8:29 am to
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I don't care about Raven/Mystique, she was a villian as far as I'm concerned


Same. Making her a "good guy" was always a flaw in the Fox X-Men movies. I hope Disney ignores all of that.

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maybe we should be called X Women


This line was totally out of place, especially since the "X-Women" were the reason they were in that situation at all.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
107324 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:10 am to
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This line was totally out of place, especially since the "X-Women" were the reason they were in that situation at all.


Don't you realize nothing is ever a woman's fault, even when it is?
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
54174 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 9:12 am to
It wasn’t that bad but I don’t know all the X-men history
It was better than apocalypse
Days of future past was still my favorite

I had no intention of watching due to reviews but I’ve watched more movies during quarantine then I have in awhile
Even rewatched band of brothers and pacific again
This post was edited on 4/29/20 at 9:14 am
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38061 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:00 am to
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One member of the cast who was a relative unknown turned into a huge star. Even though she had a supporting role


Bingo! They have a fantastic story written for them. No reason to change anything! The story could have made up for Sophie Turner's bad acting had they just followed the comics
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 4/29/20 at 10:37 am to
Jean Gray is the most overpowered and poorly written character in X-Men history.
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