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Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:01 am to
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:01 am to
Weren't those teraform things all over the world though?
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 8:56 am to
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Weren't those teraform things all over the world though?


Nope. The main ship was over Metropolis. The terraforming platform was over the Indian Ocean.

Seeing as how Wonder Woman was getting around via commercial airlines in BvS, she would've had to have been very close to Metropolis or in the middle of an ocean to get there in time.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:10 pm to
Gotcha. Thanks guys.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/9/17 at 12:59 pm to
Saw it last night, and really enjoyed it. I came away thinking "see DC, that wasn't so hard, was it?"

Going forward in the DC films, I don't see how she's NOT the de facto leader of the JL....

1) her power level, if not exactly matching Superman's, is clearly very close. He has bullet-proof skin, while she doesn't... but you can have multiple machine guns trained on her and not get past the bracers and shield.
No pure flight, but she's got the leaping thing on a par with at least the Bana Hulk, or as the old Superman intro said, "able to leap tall buildings in a single bound".
Superman has heat vision and ultra sharp senses... she has the bracers and ultra sharp senses (was watching bullets casually move by).
Batman, in terms of power- need not apply.

2) She seems to be the only one with a moral compass in this. Her initial conflict was due to naivety on the complexities of mankind, and she reached a suitable conclusion to that by the end of this film (1918). Batman has been Batman for a long time by BvS, and he's cynical and paranoid with psychotic tendencies, regardless of his current POV. He still needs to redeem himself, because it was his actions that led to Superman's 'death'.
Superman is/was overwhelmed by the magnitude of his actions and their consequences, he never embraced any duty to mankind other than "I'm strong enough to, so I guess I should". Luthor and Doomsday never offered him a choice to join that he had to reject (like Ares did with Diana), and for that matter, neither did Zod. They all wanted to kill him.

Diana didn't follow Steve Trevor around blindly, and she was more naive then. She tagged along to get to the war, but her focus remained tight. Trevor was more noble than Bruce, and arguably fighting for a greater cause. I can't see her, after 100 yrs of gained wisdom and experience, just falling in behind Bruce now; she may join in, but not follow.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:42 pm to
Just saw this. Loved it

One question I had leaving the movie is why did Diana's mom tell her that once she left the island, she could never come back?
Posted by Reality Winner
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 3:50 pm to
I can't wait to see this movie
Posted by swagsurfin7
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 4:05 pm to
I've seen a few of my friends post that "Wonder Woman saved the DCEU"... I just can't get on board with that hype yet because of who is running the JL film. This film had everything: a touch of humor, range of emotional highs/lows, high stakes, etc. Both of Snyder's films have just been gloomy with wooden characters. Now the JL trailer does look like it will have a similar tone to WW, but I won't be fooled by another trailer of Snyder's

Also, I got to thinking about my complaint of Ares/Sir Patrick being rushed in the third act. Would've been great if, after Diana kills Ludendorff, have Ares reveal himself as he does in the film and just explain to Diana about how mankind is evil and that he doesn't have to start the war they do it themselves etc. and then maybe set him up for the sequel. Maybe not even have him fight in this one, have Steve still sacrifice himself to still let her have that "there are still good people" moment, and go from there.... I don't know, just a thought lol

I'm interested to see how far in advance the sequel goes. I would assume it will be in the current time frame of the JL, but I would love for it to still be in the early time period after WWI
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 4:14 pm
Posted by BigAppleTiger
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 4:07 pm to
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One question I had leaving the movie is why did Diana's mom tell her that once she left the island, she could never come back?





She actually said you MAY never come back, I took it as a mother trying to scare her daughter into staying in safety as opposed to she might die fighting Ares.

There have been times in the comics where Diana would lose her immortality by leaving the island, and also times where she couldn't find the way back home.
Posted by swagsurfin7
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 4:11 pm to
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also times where she couldn't find the way back home.


I feel like this is a legit reason. I would think it would be super hard for her to find.
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 4:21 pm to
Finally got around to seeing it. I liked it a lot. The pacing was a little bit off at times, but Gadot was great. I liked Chris Pine more than I thought I would, too. I liked this a good bit more than Guardians 2.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 4:34 pm to
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She actually said you MAY never come back


After all is said and done, I took it as Diana having a bigger responsibility as the God Killer. Once her destiny is revealed to her, she's no longer just an Amazon and her responsibilities are on a much larger scale than that of defending Paradise Island.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 7:10 pm to
Great post and I agree with everything that was said with one exception:

quote:

Superman is/was overwhelmed by the magnitude of his actions and their consequences, he never embraced any duty to mankind other than "I'm strong enough to, so I guess I should". Luthor and Doomsday never offered him a choice to join that he had to reject (like Ares did with Diana), and for that matter, neither did Zod. They all wanted to kill him.



The scene in which Ares creates an illusion and asks her to join him in conquering mankind pretty much exactly mirrored the scene in Man of Steel between Zod and Kal while on the ship, where at the farm where he ends up on a bed of skeletons. It struck me the first time watching Wonder Woman how closely these two scenes paralleled each other.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 7:11 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:04 pm to
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The scene in which Ares creates an illusion and asks her to join him in conquering mankind pretty much exactly mirrored the scene in Man of Steel between Zod and Kal while on the ship, where at the farm where he ends up on a bed of skeletons. It struck me the first time watching Wonder Woman how closely these two scenes paralleled each other.

Yeah, I just plain forgot that one.

Random question about this film- why do the German rowboats make it to the shore, while the larger ship sinks?
If you watch that scene, the ship begins listing heavily to starboard, and is almost capsizing the last time it is shown.
Posted by swagsurfin7
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:11 pm to
I noticed that as well on a second viewing lol maybe the magic of Themiscyra had something to do with it.
Posted by vilma4prez
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:20 pm to
I assumed it was already sinking since they started off in row boats...
But I have no clue. The pacing of that fight was weird to me..
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:20 pm to
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I noticed that as well on a second viewing lol maybe the magic of Themiscyra had something to do with it.

I kinda wondered about that, which then begs the question- how do the smaller launches make it?

I suppose you could say the lagoon or whatever is hazardous and full of sharp reefs to take out larger ships... but they never say that. It's left open to speculation.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:25 pm to
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I assumed it was already sinking since they started off in row boats...
I figured those were landing craft.. they were all armed and ready to find the pilot. If you're abandoning ship, you're not going to be that organized.
Posted by Proximo
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:48 pm to
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Was that supposed to be a touching scene? No it wasn't and I'll tell you what it's only purpose was: to get the audience sexually engaged


False.

Lois says in this scene that she isn't sure they can be together because of who Superman is and the fact that when put in compromising situations and he is forced to choose, Superman is human and selfish and will choose Lois instead of the greater good.

Later, Bruce has the nightmare scene where Flash tells Bruce he was right all along about Superman (evil Superman, "you killed the only thing I ever loved") and that Lois is the key.

In the final act, Superman overcomes this internal struggle, telling Lois he loves her but choosing to save earth and sacrifice himself by picking up the kryptonite spear, instead of staying with Lois.
Posted by BigAppleTiger
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:55 pm to
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I suppose you could say the lagoon or whatever is hazardous and full of sharp reefs to take out larger ships... but they never say that. It's left open to speculation.




In the comics the waters of Themyscira are protected by Megalodons (300 ft Great White Sharks) and Zeus's Giant Golden Eagles. That would have been cool as shite to see.
This post was edited on 6/10/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 6/10/17 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

Lois says in this scene that she isn't sure they can be together because of who Superman is and the fact that when put in compromising situations and he is forced to choose, Superman is human and selfish and will choose Lois instead of the greater good.

Later, Bruce has the nightmare scene where Flash tells Bruce he was right all along about Superman (evil Superman, "you killed the only thing I ever loved") and that Lois is the key.

In the final act, Superman overcomes this internal struggle, telling Lois he loves her but choosing to save earth and sacrifice himself by picking up the kryptonite spear, instead of staying with Lois.

He sacrifices himself to stop Doomsday, but I think the motivation is saving Lois by doing so, not saving the world.

That scene is idiotic after watching Wonder Woman, by the way... the lasso can be held by anyone, and Superman has the strength to do it.
Wonder Woman is the obvious choice with the spear; she wouldn't have to drive it further in. She knows how to use it, he doesn't.
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