re: Wonder Woman Movie ***SPOILERS*** Thread

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Did Ares direct Steve towards the island, directly or indirectly? I don't think Area could go there but I wonder if he pushed Steve that way to bring the amazons into play. It would be more satisfying than pure coincidence - that's a pretty huge coincidence for Steve to find the amazons and report back directly to Ares

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good question, but in thinking about it, I think just a happy coincidence for Ares. I thought they said something about Themiscyra being hidden even from him by Zeus, so while he might have a generalized idea of the location, he wouldn't know where.

Also sounds like he isn't aware of Diana, other than just her existence as a future threat. When she shows up he's intrigued, by her ignorance as well as her presence... so he just plays it out.

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As soon as Diana was at full capacity, the war made contact with the Amazons.

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Good point. Moments after her power manifested for the first time.

So, after giving this time to settle in, here's a question: if Justice League is, as it appears, Darkseid's attack, why is it happening now?

Because Superman is "dead"?

If so, then they've made these movies wrong, or Darkseid is making a miscalculation.

Consider: Wonder Woman beat Ares a hundred years ago, and he was a more impressive threat than Doomsday.

Ares seemed to pack as much punch as Doomsday (based on how WW reacted to hits from both), he was far more intelligent, he displayed widespread mind control in his arsenal, and he also showed the ability to use telekinesis. He apparently had a weakness to Olympian lightning (shown earlier as Zeus wounds him, and that he was foolish enough to bring into the battle).

Doomsday is a big Kryptonian monster, but let's face it, if Luthor's plan had worked, Wonder Woman likely kills Doomsday, because he also has a specific weakness, Kryptonite.
Wonder Woman showed her bracers would stand up to Doomsday's heat vision, so it comes down to combat. She can take a few hits (as she does) without being seriously hurt, and she was dealing on Doomsday with that sword... it just doesn't have any permanent affect.
If only she had a weapon she could wield that WOULD leave a mark, like, say... a kryptonite spear, which Batman has made.
That would change the dynamics completely, as she's able to strike quickly and forcefully, and she'd have cut Doomsday to pieces before long.

Granted, Superman gives you an aerial/space flight capacity the others lack, but Wonder Woman on the ground would still be a beast, unless they decide to now depower her.

More to the point, why attack Earth now? We see a couple hints in trailers, but Marvel has built a more compelling argument for their upcoming showdown, and really, for the other attack (Avengers) too.

Earth is a primitive planet in both extended universes, but at least in Marvel's, it's one of the 8 realms attached to Yggdrasil. That makes it a major intersection of strategic value, as we see in the Thor movies. Loki attacks out of spite against Thor, and in doing so he leaves an Infinity Stone behind. Thanos will come for that. That will engage the Avengers, will inspire Star Lord to defend his home planet (and Drax, Gamora and Nebula are already sworn to kill Thanos wherever he is, so the GOTG gets sucked into this too). All makes sense over a big group of movies.

I don't see any such prize awaiting Darkseid, just a possible opportunity to defeat and claim a planet on the fringe of the galaxy, way less advanced than, say, the Kryptonians (and presumably others).

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We don't know if Superman's death is a reason for Darkseid to choose to attack Earth or if Luthor was just referring to the fact that he had just killed Earth's best defense.

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And if Luthor knew this, why would he still choose to kill Superman? This film seems to have been written by an 8 year old.

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And if Luthor knew this, why would he still choose to kill Superman?

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He discovers it after Superman's death, while he's being arrested.

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This has probably been covered, but the German general they focused on, was he a manifestation of Ares? What was his deal?

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Based on a real person. They showed that Ares was influencing him, giving him ideas.

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We don't know if Superman's death is a reason for Darkseid to choose to attack Earth or if Luthor was just referring to the fact that he had just killed Earth's best defense.

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Superman was kicking out of his coffin at the end of the movie.

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Superman was kicking out of his coffin at the end of the movie.

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That was just for the viewers. Everyone else thinks he's dead.

DIE FOR DARKSEID!

Gotta remember, Doomsday in the movie is not the same as the one that killed Superman. He's not the perfect killer. He's a freak of human engineering.

Even later in the comics the more able Doomsday got aced by Superman(Kal-L) from Earth 2 who then went on to beat the ever living shite out of Superboy Prime with minimum help from Mogo and Superman(Kal-El). Like he straight up brushed Doomsday's fist aside and one punched him off planet.

DARKSEID when written properly is a nearer to a celestial than a Odin.


Also if I recall New Gods are all fundamental and part of the very firmanent, so there is only the one of them for all universes/multiverses.


DARKSEID should truck on through.