re: Widow’s Bay (AppleTV) Discussion *Renewed for S2*

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Wyck telling the sheriff that they need to get off the island before his wife has their baby. Like maybe something happens to the women once they give birth, and their soul (or whatever) is changed/taken away afterwards and they are changed forever.

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I think it’s more to do with that if their kid is born in the Island it can never leave and if it does it will die. Same thing with Tom’s son. They thought by forever killing the Zombie town founder it would break that curse. Apparently it didn’t, hence the boogeyman returning. Like I told my wife just because you kill the dude that made the deal with the Devil doesn’t mean the deal isn’t still in play for the Devil.

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I’m going to catch up on the thread this morning, looks like Cokes has been putting in some work.

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Just my usual comments and bitching that I'm sure nobody really aligns with.

Tom explained as a stroke from preeclampsia and she was never the same. But I agree it probably goes deeper than that. I would like to know how many women are currently in the mental institution she was in.

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But when he is chasing her everywhere and she is just running nonstop instead of actually trying to get someone to help. Walks into a house full of women, and she's just telling them "He's back" very cryptically. Instead of screaming at the top of her lungs running down the street for help, she's quiet and checking door handles and knocking on doors instead of getting away.

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She was banging on doors with both hands and people just weren’t answering. I don’t think the houses had doorbells. sure that was by design.

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But the most egregious was at the gas station. You literally see the fricking SHERIFF standing inside, and not only do you not get help, you try the most ridiculous thing ever with the gas and stun gun. You don't even tell him "Hey, a murderer is chasing me...he's right outside if you wanna come grab him real fast" when you literally run inside the store.

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To be fair, she was just at a house with multiple women who didn’t believe her even though he ended up in the house. And she had the whole experience at her party. I’m going to guess she’s beyond being rational when this guy has chased her all over the island.

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But it just doesn't fit within the structured framework of the show well for me.

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Just have to agree to disagree on this one. They’ve discussed the Boogeyman in multiple episodes, like the Sea Hag he’s a core part of this “cycle” the island has. Just like the storm that’s coming up in next episode.

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Oh, and the absolute worst part of the episode? That it was only like 34 minutes in total.

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On the upside, there’s been absolutely no filler. But I’d also like a little longer episodes.

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She was banging on doors with both hands and people just weren’t answering. I don’t think the houses had doorbells. sure that was by design.

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Right, but that doesn't address anything else I said. She should've been screaming bloody murder constantly and trying to attract attention.

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To be fair, she was just at a house with multiple women who didn’t believe her even though he ended up in the house. And she had the whole experience at her party. I’m going to guess she’s beyond being rational when this guy has chased her all over the island.

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Firstly, your point about the house of women. Those are all the women who hate her (and whom she also hates in return except maybe for that one newer one). They never believe anything she says. The sheriff is a very common work acquaintance, pretty much even a friend. Those aren't anywhere near the same thing. But he is also the sheriff.

And you can't blame it on her being beyond rational, because she very clearly had a plan to burn him and even went inside to pay for $20 of gas so she could do it. She was capable of basic decision making.

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Just have to agree to disagree on this one. They’ve discussed the Boogeyman in multiple episodes, like the Sea Hag he’s a core part of this “cycle” the island has. Just like the storm that’s coming up in next episode.

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You're missing my point here. I'm not saying the Boogeyman doesn't fit within the mystery of the island. Of course he does, just like the hag, clown, storm, etc.

My point is that within the framework of the show, we've seen things from non-reality perspectives. Like the satanic ritual episode. We saw most of that from Patricia's perspective, and when the curtain was pulled back we saw the reality of what it was. We've seen the clown attack at the hotel crawlspace, but that ended up basically all being in Tom's mind. Those were basically illusions and not real perspectives.

That's not what this was. I initially thought it may be, but once she went to that bitch's house and the killer was there and came out the window, and then the paramedics were killed, and then the attack at the gas station in front of more witnesses (the clerk and the sheriff)...this was not some illusion inside Patricia's mind (at least not as far as we know yet). These were verifiable events that included real world witnesses. Yet her actions were still dreamlike and irrational (like not doing a better job of attracting attention and not seeking help from the sheriff of all people).

Even things like the ridiculousness of Tom and Wyck bringing Richard Warren out past the barrier of the island and the buoys, that made sense within the narrative framework that the show has set up. Almost nothing in this episode made sense within that framework (i.e. Patricia's actions, cremating the killer without even so much as lifting the mask or identifying him, etc.).

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creepy shite on the island and they mention “The Hospital” that our favorite supportive government worker says “You’re ok to drive by it as long as you don’t stop”. I’m betting it’s the hospital she was in.

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Good catch.

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But then Richard Warren and his existence (even in “modern day” on the island) wasn’t illusions but a real perspective. He was there and existing for Tom, Wyck, and Patricia. Same for the Priest who kills himself earlier on.

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Right. Sometimes they are illusions and sometimes they are real. This Boogeyman was very real with very real murders witnessed.

Like the old hag. We thought she was an illusion, but then when she was shot by Wyck and turned into the water, she was a reality.

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So did he just go up to the second floor to just jump out the window? What am I missing?

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I mean ultiamtely they were just playing on Michael Myers tropes and the ridiculous times he would fall out of buildings and stuff and be able to get up. Though, we don't know what happened up there so the women could have somehow thrown him out or something. Or he just jumped when he saw Patricia.

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So did he just go up to the second floor to just jump out the window? What am I missing?

Also, how the F did Patricia not know the cops wife was pregnant when’s she about to pop? It’s a small town and they are always in contact

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I think there's something going on with the island and time. Like dilation of time.

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Why did Tom kick Wyck out of the boat when they were wrestling to get Warren back in the casket? It seemed intentional and did no good then he immediately went searching for him.

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Wyck was born on the island (I think he could also be a Warren descendant). Anyone who is born on the island that gets passed the buoy dies (like we saw with Warren). He was trying to prevent Wyck from dying.

Which makes me think at some point Wyck is going to have to die to save the island.

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Funniest part of the show to me so far was when they were making the hotel owner go in the captains suite and after the 10 seconds was up he was completely frazzled and they said they were going to try 30 seconds next and he goes "Can I at least have something to eat first?" That killed me. Dude was in distress.

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That's another thing that makes me think the entity/island fricks with time. When they opened the room he had clearly been in there much longer than the 10 seconds outside of the door where Tom and Wyck were.