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re: Why Snape Cannot Be Black

Posted on 12/7/24 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 5:44 pm to
Glory and Apocalypto are loved on this board, but there are very few white men in those movies.

People just want good, original stories.
Posted by Rza32
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 5:55 pm to
Ok, not familiar with the books.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:03 pm to
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This guy’s wife loves black guys

nope. but now that you mention it that could explain some of the anger in this thread
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
22794 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:20 pm to
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why does race of a character matter so much to you?

This is always the refrain of DEI zealots when they are called out for race swapping established characters. Be less transparent.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:24 pm to
I'm not a fan of race swapping Snape but I also am not mad about it. It's disappointing but the anger some have over it is stupid. it's a make believe character.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:31 pm to
A make believe character who may be race swapped by the same creator of that character The uproar about this is laughable.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63088 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 6:38 pm to
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the same creator of that character
Don't act like she's not a crack whore of virtue signaling.
Posted by Duzz
Houston
Member since Feb 2008
10219 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 7:41 pm to
I mostly agree with your take, due to the climate now they would push the race agenda and not the story beats. Playing devil advocate here they can make Snape black, but they also have to make James Potter Black. Sirus could be White because they go for Death Eater = White Surpemist vibe.

Lily Evan of course would have to be white with green eyes as that is a huge feature in the book. Snape would then join a white surpemist group for power while they treat him badly and call him names for the color of his skin.

The problem here is if you make James Black, then that mean Black men go gaga for white women to the point of stupidity. Likewise if you make Lily Black, and James white, a black girl rejected a black man for a white boy. Taken to a another level, James Potter a White man forces his unwanted advances onto a black girl in Lily Evan and somehow she allowed herself to be colonized.

So its a damn if you do situation and damn if you don't but I believe they would have to change Blaise Zambini to white because he did join the Death Eaters. Assuming they going going ot make Death Eater = White supremacy and of course patriachy.

Its also not a good look if you have a black man be obesses over a white girl UNLESS they change it to be a tragic love story and its all a misunderstanding. Lean into that and a black snape would work and of course have James be the bad guy through and through. Something like Snape was going to quit being a Death Eater but James interference made him say tthe Mudblood word and end it then and there.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
63088 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:15 pm to
I can't wait to see how gay Dumbledore is. That should go over well.
Posted by Duzz
Houston
Member since Feb 2008
10219 posts
Posted on 12/7/24 at 9:22 pm to
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I can't wait to see how gay Dumbledore is. That should go over well.



We all know that JK Rowling pulled that shite out of her arse last minute...despite never showing any such inclination. Two best friend becoming enemies is a common trope. That said, I doubt they would do any gay shite with Dumbledore beside him paying lip service. No one wants to watch old gay people going at it. Not even gay people.

If anything Neville would probably be gay since his actor is gay. Hollywood tend to make the lore character sexual orientation their actors sexual orientation. Either that or Ron since Ron never was anything more than Harry's friend.

On another note, JK Rowling said in an interview a few years back that she wished she had pair Harry up with Hermione, so maybe this series is a way for her to rewrite part of the series she wasn't happy with. You know like how George Lucas remasted the OT where Greedo shot first.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10038 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 2:33 am to
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quote:This guy’s wife loves black guys nope. but now that you mention it that could explain some of the anger in this thread


No one thinks you have a wife...unless it has a penis. Everyone can picture exactly how you look. Scrawny weirdo with a patchy beard
Posted by Proximo
Member since Aug 2011
22009 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 5:30 am to
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honestly cannot believe that no one considered the implications of casting a minority as a character like Snape.

They cast him because they want the racist implication of the whites being afraid of the black man so they can sell a narrative
Posted by DMagic
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Member since Aug 2010
49921 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 7:16 am to
Mickey and Corinthians defending race swapping and blaming people for noticing is as predictable as the sun rising
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
4901 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:35 am to
I hope they go all the way with it. Make Harry a fat lesbian, Ron can be trans, Hermione will be a male dwarf. Really embrace it. Let’s see how that plays out.
Posted by Demonbengal
Ruston
Member since May 2015
4901 posts
Posted on 12/8/24 at 9:50 am to
I do think there are times when race swapping either makes sense or isn’t as big a deal. For instance, Billy D Williams as the mayor of Gotham in1989 Batman wasn’t that big a deal. Most large cities were becoming majority minority, and a lot of the mayors were black men. It would not make sense to make Batman black, however, since he came from generational wealth. Most minorities with money are only in the first or second generation of money.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 12:20 pm to
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do think there are times when race swapping either makes sense or isn’t as big a deal. For instance, Billy D Williams as the mayor of Gotham in1989 Batman wasn’t that big a deal. Most large cities were becoming majority minority, and a lot of the mayors were black men. It would not make sense to make Batman black, however, since he came from generational wealth. Most minorities with money are only in the first or second generation of money

It would be weird to make Bruce Wayne black unless it was some alternate universe stuff. It worked for Spiderman
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78251 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 1:40 pm to
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This argument completely falls apart given the overwhelming enthusiasm for the entirely Asian and Native American casting of “Avatar: The Last Airbender”.


Separate but equal.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38428 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:13 pm to
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Personally, I don't care if they swap the race of a character as long as the character remains the same at its core.


Don't be afraid of telling the truth - characters should stay as described - Unless it's an actual reimagining of the product top to bottom.

Don't play into their hands. It's not racist at all to think source material is source material for a reason.

If you are making something like a "modern day" version, then go for it. Call it something different, change genders around, etc.

If you are making some close to the source material, keep it that way. Those are two different approaches
This post was edited on 12/19/24 at 2:15 pm
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
16104 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
34385 posts
Posted on 12/19/24 at 3:30 pm to
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If you don't think kids can bully kids without being racist that's kinda on you.


That's not what he's saying.

Kids can be bullied for reasons innumerable.

The problem is that you now have a scenario where the bullying will appear to specifically BE racist. The only way for it not is to ALSO race swap at least one of the tormentors for another black person, and even THEN it may still appear that way. You might have to race swap at least two of them.
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