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re: Why is everyone so mad at lost

Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:25 am to
Posted by Jabberwocky
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:25 am to
i didnt think it was too bad.

although the part where MIB was talking to his mother about harnessing the power of the light didn't make a lick of sense to me. he said he was going to "hook up the wheel to the light and the water and turn it" mmmmkay. and that was his grand plan to get off the island.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:47 am to
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The characters motives from that episode no longer make sense and does a huge disservice to the series as a whole.


This somes it up. Basically the MIB was shown to be the "good guy" and Jacob was shown to be more of the antagonist. I saw that coming so that doesn't bother me. What bothered me is that there was never a moment in the episode where the two officially started the game we are seeing now.

My biggest issue: Given the MIB's desire to be with his people, it would make more sense that he was sympathetic towards them. Given Jacob's gullibleness with his "mom" it would make more sense that Jacob would have a negative view of man. The switch in viewpoint seemed arbitrary and forced.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 8:54 am to
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theunknownknight


Yeah, when I was explaining this earlier (using Ben as an example of good character development), people were jumping through loopholes to try and figure out how their personalities turned out this way. If all I knew about the characters was this episode, I certainly wouldn't have predicted they turned out the way they did.
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:34 am to
The main reason I was exicted about this episode was that I was hoping to finally have an understanding of the game and the rules.. What we got was greater sense of confusion with the possibility that they will remain a mystery. Take that disappointment out and it was an o.k. Episode
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:37 am to
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Why is everyone so mad at lost


A combination of high expectations and preconceived notions of what needs to be revealed
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 9:51 am to
Well, some good news is "What They Died For" got good reviews. Supposed to be as good of a 2nd to last episode as "Greatest Hits" was.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 9:52 am
Posted by TotallyTigers
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:07 am to
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Well, some good news is "What They Died For" got good reviews.



Glad to hear that. Early word on "What They Died For" and "The End" has been very positive.
Posted by Johnny Utah9
Santa Barbara
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 10:18 am to
this board is going to implode on finale night! all the lost nerds internet slapping one another!
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:04 pm to
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The camp is split, what used to be two groups is now three.

A) Those who are in it for the ride, these guys are ok. Totally chill with whats going on.

B) Those who love Lost but are searching for answers, and the show just isn't providing it. Definitely your most angry people.

C) Those who were jaded early on, and have either watched the show sporadically or given up completely. They are just saying "I told you so" to the first two groups, exacerbating the anger.


Oh and there's a 4th group

D) People who bitch and complain about story structure and narrative cohesiveness. The other three groups just nod and say, "uh huh." I have no idea who these people are.



A: Group of Faith

B: Group of Science

C: The Others

D: The Other Others
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
32662 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:09 pm to
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A: Group of Faith

B: Group of Science

C: The Others

D: The Other Others


Nice.

Count me in A: Group of Faith

Team Jacob in da house! What!What!
Posted by noonan
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Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:18 pm to
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A combination of high expectations and preconceived notions of what needs to be revealed


I think that explains it perfectly.
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:19 pm to
A, Team Jacob here as well
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:21 pm to
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D: The Other Others



I'm fine with being a Japanese Samurai:


Posted by tuck
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:22 pm to
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A: Group of Faith
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
109119 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:27 pm to
Shame he died by drowning, he should have gone out in typical samurai fashion, with a sword thrust into his chest.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:28 pm to
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Shame he died by drowning, he should have gone out in typical samurai fashion, with a sword thrust into his chest.


Agreed.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:32 pm to
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D: The Other Others


quote:

OMLandshark

quote:

I'm fine with being a Japanese Samurai:


Does not compute. You're A, with a little B now.

D was a little self-deprecating humor on my part.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 12:34 pm
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:35 pm to
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Does not compute. You're A, with a little B now.

D was a little self-deprecating humor on my part.


Thought you were just talking about this episode, because the main thing I've been bitching about is the story structure and character decisions of that episode. As a whole for the series, it would be a combo of A and B.
Posted by STLSU
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 5/14/10 at 12:59 pm to
I've been thinking about something. Maybe Jacob's motives and opinions of people from across the sea changed over teh course of 2000 years. I think he grew to love the people he brought to the island over the course of time. But he really just wanted to get a candidate and die because MIB was eventually going to kill him and he realized this from the day he knocked him into the creek and he fell into the light. Also because he uses Richard like God used Jesus, as an ambassador and to keep him separate from the others he brought to the island.
Posted by davesdawgs
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Member since Oct 2008
20307 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 2:17 pm to
I'm not "mad" per se about "Across The Sea" but I have to say I am disappointed. Without rehashing all the same details that have been aptly pointed out in this forum and on Dark UFO, let me just say that scene in which MIB described how he would get off the island apparently as a result of “smart people” figuring out how to control/manipulate the water with the light by attaching the donkey wheel was so ridiculous that it was difficult to comprehend that the same team of writers had contrived this script. The lack of credibility of MIB's explanation was due to the obvious technology gap of the time period (Roman Empire) that many have cited in this forum. I understand that they where trying to keep it simple without raising more questions but sheesh I think a lot of fans here could have done better.

I think the explanation would have been much more credible if the writers had set up an Atlantis type scenario or any advanced race as the source of the technology. And by the way, something other than a wooden donkey wheel would have made the entire concept more believable as well.

I'm sure the writer's on going intent was to stay away from any type of historic or cliched origin such as Greek or Roman mythology but honestly I feel they wrote themselves into a corner for which there was no other plausible explanation. Otherwise they should have just left out all the technological aspects such the Dharma Initiative scientific investigation/experiments, the advanced physics associated with Faraday's time travel studies, time travel itself and the flash-sideways parallel universe split. Another realistic convention might have been advanced knowledge from the future since they had already introduced time travel as an integral aspect of LOST.

In the end I think some of the all encompassing theories proposed by fans were actually better thought out and would have had more credibility than what we are left with after this episode. Maybe the whole thing should have remained a mystery but then again I think most fans were demanding some back-story explanation for the origins of Jacob and MIB if not a complete understanding of the island. No, I think the main failure was in providing a less than credible technological explanation.
This post was edited on 5/14/10 at 4:21 pm
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