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re: Why do you think Christianity is attacked in tv shows/movies?
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:45 pm to themetalreb
Posted on 6/24/23 at 5:45 pm to themetalreb
Well themetaireb they brought it on themselves. The seem to embrace bigotry and xenophobia and every stupid conspiracy theory that comes down the pike. Are also anti/science. Finally their war on LGBTQ folks is not very endearing either.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 6:52 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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The most highly educated atheist New Testament scholars, almost to a man, will admit that Jesus certainly existed, was executed by Roman crucifixion, and that his followers were proclaiming within one or two years of the Crucifixion that Jesus rose from the dead and had been seen by a considerable number of followers beyond just his disciples.
Lies, all damn lies.
Absolutely zero proof that person existed. I'm. Not saying A Jesus wasn't crucified, I'm saying The Jesus in the Bible more than likely never existed.
I was born and raised catholic. I don't believe in a god. I believe there is something bigger than us, but it's not a magic man in the sky that cares about his creation.
I'll say this, if ever there comes a time where religion is banned here, I'll be one of the first to take up arms against that even though I don't believe. In fact I would have no problem cracking off the first shot.
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:54 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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I don’t think it’s fair to put the above on Christianity as a whole, or really Protestantism as a whole either.
You cut out a few very key words from my quote
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there are those who have used “Christianity” as a means to justify the Requiremento, the Salem Witch Trials, slavery, opposition to the civil rights movement, and other socioeconomic and political agendas which are at their heart anti-Christian.
To be clear, I’m not blaming Christianity, but people who do bad things while falsely claiming they are justified by Christianity
Posted on 6/24/23 at 11:57 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
How can you say you are giving it a good try if you go by the name Mr. Misanthrope? Sort of the opposite of loving your fellow man and turning the other cheek.
I grew up in a wonderful church family and was an acolyte. Love many parts of the liturgy.
What I despise is how people on here spout off about free will and then do whatever they feel like doing, knowing it is morally wrong, because they can always say “forgive me”. That isn’t being a Christian; that is being a hypocritical a-hole. Religion in general has always been steeped in hypocrisy. Christianity more than others because it claims to follow a guy who apparently said a rich man will have a harder time getting into Heaven than a camel will going through an eye of a needle but still claims bullshite like the prosperity gospel.
Christianity is hard, and it takes a whole lot more than showing up at church and repeating the Nicene Creed, which by the way was written at a conference that was meant to banish a lot of wild and weird beliefs of the early Christians. What if I told you that plenty of supposedly Christian imagery and beliefs were taken from a mystic pagan cult of Mithras?
I grew up in a wonderful church family and was an acolyte. Love many parts of the liturgy.
What I despise is how people on here spout off about free will and then do whatever they feel like doing, knowing it is morally wrong, because they can always say “forgive me”. That isn’t being a Christian; that is being a hypocritical a-hole. Religion in general has always been steeped in hypocrisy. Christianity more than others because it claims to follow a guy who apparently said a rich man will have a harder time getting into Heaven than a camel will going through an eye of a needle but still claims bullshite like the prosperity gospel.
Christianity is hard, and it takes a whole lot more than showing up at church and repeating the Nicene Creed, which by the way was written at a conference that was meant to banish a lot of wild and weird beliefs of the early Christians. What if I told you that plenty of supposedly Christian imagery and beliefs were taken from a mystic pagan cult of Mithras?
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:22 am to saintsfan1977
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Lies, all damn lies.
Absolutely zero proof that person existed. I'm. Not saying A Jesus wasn't crucified, I'm saying The Jesus in the Bible more than likely never existed.
Your disbelief, or being misinformed or uninformed and choosing to remain so doesn’t make truth lies nor make the persons posting information uncomfortable to you liars.
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Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
and that he appeared to Cephas,
then to the twelve.
Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
Then he appeared to James,
then to all the apostles.
Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
This church in Corinth was established about 50 AD by St. Paul who stayed there about 18 months. This is about 20 years after the Crucifixion. The letter excerpted here was written about 52-55 AD to this church to clear up some questions and to remind them of what he taught them three to five years prior. In the body of the letter several early Christian creedal statements [italicized here]are quoted that date back to 34-37 AD, at most, three years after St. Paul’s conversion in 33-34 AD.
Most credible New Testament scholars agree that:
1. St. Paul founded the Corinthian church in 50 AD,
2. that he wrote his first letter to this church about 52-55 AD,
3. and that chapter 15 (the excerpt quoted) contains an early Christian creed that St. Paul likely received, in Jerusalem, from eyewitnesses to Jesus’s life, Crucifixion, and Resurrection (St. Peter, St. James, St. James?) about three years after his conversion about 33-34 AD.
It’s ludicrous to believe that Jesus, as portrayed in the New Testament, didn’t exist or that Jesus, as portrayed by the writers of the New Testament, was some sort of lie or misrepresentation created hundreds of years after the events.
It’s equally shortsighted to diminish and demean the New Testament and hold it to more rigorous standards of critical analysis than other ancient literature. We’ve more, better, and earlier source materials for the what, when, where, and who respecting Jesus Christ than we do for Alexander The Great or that Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
You may not believe in a god as you said, but your disbelief is based strictly on your faith not on evidence. You choose to persist in your disbelief despite the evidence.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 1:53 am
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:32 am to marcus3000
More Christians die than any religion in the world.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:40 am to Mr. Misanthrope
Dude it was Julius Caesar that crossed the Rubicon. Caesar Augustus was his heir, and there is plenty of historical proof that both existed. I have little doubt Jesus did as well. Also, there was a guy literally following Alexander around writing about his campaigns so those are pretty historical as well, though only fragments have survived.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:35 am to PassingThrough
quote:Easy. I can say it because it’s true.
How can you say you are giving it a good try if you go by the name Mr. Misanthrope? Sort of the opposite of loving your fellow man and turning the other cheek.
As far as Mr. Misanthrope goes, Its tongue in cheek. Anyone who knows me knows that. It began as a joke. I’m a fairly gregarious fellow and enjoy the company of people.
I told my pastor I was adopting the working philosophy of Christian Misanthropy. God says we’re to love our fellow man, but he doesn’t say we have to like him.
More to my purposes, it’s my personal self-directed, self-critical joke to help keep my focus on Jesus and my many sins and off those of my fellow man. Except when and where their sins become evident to me or shared with me in confidence. Then they become the focus of intercession to Jesus on behalf of those persons.
Overall I’d say the name reminds me that biblical love of our fellow man is an active verb and has nothing whatsoever to do with my feelings about people in general or in particular.
Maybe I should change it to a quirky symbol and call it The OP Formerly Known As Mr. Misanthrope. Probably not.
You will surely admit you seem to despise a fair number of Christian hypocrites not living up to God’s standards. Is there a tiny misanthrope or hypocrite within looking to manifest?
quote:I would agree and also call it bullshite but would not allow gospel in the same sentence. Prosperity doctrine preachers are leading unstable Christians away from Jesus.
bull shite like the prosperity gospel.
quote:Agree, Christianity is hard and demands a whole lot more than just those things, but it does take them as well.
Christianity is hard, and it takes a whole lot more than showing up at church and repeating the Nicene Creed,
As far as the rest of your paragraph, I’m not sure if I understand the points you’re trying to make. I don’t think you are trying to endorse anything Dan Brown has said about Nicea in his novels and their film treatments. So that’s good.
As far as the rest I’d say the council met primarily to deal with the Arian heresy.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 1:47 am to PassingThrough
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Dude it was Julius Caesar
To your larger point, I’m aware and agree. I am only saying that compared to other figures, like those mentioned, the source materials for Jesus of Nazareth, are better if treated the same as all other historical documents.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:10 am to caro81
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something something crusades
The Crusades were right.
See: Muslims, anytime throughout history.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 7:13 am to Mr. Misanthrope
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It’s equally shortsighted to diminish and demean the New Testament and hold it to more rigorous standards of critical analysis than other ancient literature. We’ve more, better, and earlier source materials for the what, when, where, and who respecting Jesus Christ than we do for Alexander The Great or that Caesar crossed the Rubicon.
Absolutely right. We have far more proof of the history presented in the Bible than we do of most accepted history. People who claim otherwise intentionally have their heads in the sand.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:34 am to caro81
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inquisition
What a show!

Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:40 am to WicKed WayZ
The teaching of Jesus has nothing to do with politics or stupid labels.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:22 am to TankBoys32
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Because secular Jews run Hollywood and hate Christians/religious folk.
Do you know any Jewish people? This could not be farther from the truth.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:28 am to themetalreb
Most Hollywood types don’t believe
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:44 am to lsusa
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To be clear, I’m not blaming Christianity,
I wasn’t criticizing as much as I was attempting to help clarify, but I realize that’s kind of splitting hairs in this case.
FWIW, it’s hard for me to blame any religion for the bad behavior of its leading members. People who seek to gain power and abuse authority will use whatever means available to them to achieve that goal. Today that might mean climbing the corporate ladder, or rising through political ranks. At other times that might have meant joining the seminary
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:50 am to themetalreb
It's not like it's a new phenomenon.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:13 am to SCLSUMuddogs
A good percentage of Christians don't vote and a good example of that are the Amish that a very large percentage avoid politics and voting.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:15 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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You may not believe in a god as you said, but your disbelief is based strictly on your faith not on evidence. You choose to persist in your disbelief despite the evidence.
Wow the lack of self awareness in this post
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:30 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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It's not like it's a new phenomenon.
You're right, it's not.
Elmer Gantry is about a con man who takes advantage of Christians. Criticizing swindlers who rip off poor people is not attacking Christianity.
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