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re: Why didn't they change Luke's last name?
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:28 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
Posted on 12/15/18 at 9:28 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
He went to live with his aunt and uncle but you think they were actually trying to hide him? What good would a name change have done?
Owen: This is my.... random boy living with me, luke treehugger.
They were reliant upon the fact that the empire didn’t know the babies survived to even look for them.
Owen: This is my.... random boy living with me, luke treehugger.
They were reliant upon the fact that the empire didn’t know the babies survived to even look for them.
This post was edited on 12/15/18 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:28 pm to AshLSU
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Rogue One was pretty damn good.
I'm not begrudging the folks that like it. Hard pass. There are 3 Star Wars films, if you can even find the ones Lucas didn't frick up with his "Special Edition" bullshite.
Posted on 12/15/18 at 10:49 pm to Tigerstark
quote:Well, since they were living on a fairly isolated homestead, and took Luke in as an infant, why not just call him their son?
He went to live with his aunt and uncle but you think they were actually trying to hide him? What good would a name change have done?
Owen: This is my.... random boy living with me, luke treehugger.
I guess Owen wasn't down with that.
quote:Well, true enough. But all the same, it's kind of like taking in Hitler's son, in Adolf's old hometown.
They were reliant upon the fact that the empire didn’t know the babies survived to even look for them.
You might want to change his name, just in case some mid-level governmental dude gets too bored on his desert planet and starts running a census. You'd figure a name like that would get flagged. The locals might not know anything, but gotta believe Palpatine would be interested if more Skywalkers started popping up on Tatooine, of all places...
Unless, of course, Yoda and Obi-wan planned to use the kids as bait.
It makes sense if you look at it that way. The Jedi knew that they'd have problems taking on Palpatine by himself, but paired with Vader the Emperor was unbeatable. They also knew Anakin's big wildcard was the prohibited family he had, his affair and marriage to Padme (do they ever learn he's married? I didn't think so). He's undeniably enraged at the death of Padme, but give him a decade or so to calm down, and plant his son somewhere he can be found (somewhere Vader might occasionally check back on, by his mother's grave).
If Vader finds him at 13, he might break away from Palpatine. If not, he's at least going alone, which gives Obi-wan a chance to ambush him if he doesn't turn the right way.
If Palpatine finds him at 13 and kills him, and Vader finds this out, again he might turn. In fact, odds are high he does.
Both scenarios put Vader at least going rogue within the Empire, if not turning openly against Palpatine- and that could give the Jedi the chance they need to take Palpatine out.
You view it this way, and it does make Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi (TLJ) more believable. The more he grew, the more he learned of what was planned for him, and as Yoda said, "there is another", for his sister if need and chance arose.
And lets face it, giving Luke a saber and training for a week with Yoda isn't going to get him ready to face Darth Vader in combat. It IS, however, going to make Luke completely visible to Vader, which turned out to have the desired effect.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:12 am to Scoob
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But he did see Threepio, which it later came to be that he fricking made him. Not even the slightest hint of curiousity there, though... again, Vader seems to miss a lot.
That’s just the stupidity of the prequels. Innthe original they have several droids that look like C3PO clearly they are manufactured
Posted on 12/16/18 at 12:16 am to Scoob
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You'd figure a name like that would get flagged. The locals might not know anything, but gotta believe Palpatine would be interested if more Skywalkers started popping up on Tatooine, of all places.
One consistent thing in the original trilogy and prequels is that Tatoine is outside the Republic/Empire so there’s no reason for the “locals” to have a negative connotation with the Skywalker name or for the Empire to notice
Posted on 12/16/18 at 1:10 am to H-Town Tiger
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One consistent thing in the original trilogy and prequels is that Tatoine is outside the Republic/Empire so there’s no reason for the “locals” to have a negative connotation with the Skywalker name or for the Empire to notice
For the Empire, no.
For Palpatine personally, it's definitely within reason. He has manipulated and played Anakin to make him become Vader. He knows protection and vengeance for family is Anakin's primary motivation for all of his actions. He knows Anakin's past and his family.
It wouldn't be a big shocker to have someone keep an eye on whatever ties there are left, even if Vader no longer seems to care. And for a Skywalker to suddenly pop up in his stepbrother's household... like I said, definitely a flag. At the very least, perhaps a Jedi trick to destabilize his attack dog. At worst, what eventually happens- a "new" family member to protect, causing Anakin's loyalties to shift again.
Frankly, it's a bit surprising that Palpatine didn't have the Lars killed off years before, to remove that potential distraction.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 6:37 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
As others have said, the big storyline wasn't made until ESB so I'm not bothered by that.
But the prequels should have addressed these obvious questions.
But the prequels should have addressed these obvious questions.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 7:18 am to Scoob
Tatooine is a blindspot for Vader, one of the only things that made sense trying to convey in the Prequels.
Luke only goes up on the radars after the death star.
Vader and Palpatine while powerful weren't omniscient through the force. Just excellent at reading it when they knew something was there. And being Sith setting up their own power play disruptions in it too.
Luke only goes up on the radars after the death star.
Vader and Palpatine while powerful weren't omniscient through the force. Just excellent at reading it when they knew something was there. And being Sith setting up their own power play disruptions in it too.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:10 am to ZappBrannigan
Alot of terrible brainwork in this thread. Will try to fix all the suck.
1. Anakin grewup a slave on Tatooine and besides winning a race that alot of criminals and lowlifes cared about nobody gave a shite.
2. Anakins mom died. He has no family left on Tatooine. Lars and his ho are in no way related to Luke. Maybe step uncle in a very remote way. But if a man had your grandma as a slave then married her only to see sandpeople steal her and kill her, you probably dont want to claim that guy and his turd son as family. Also the old guy in the wheelchair was a #metoo level pervert. Boning his own slaves. The whole situation was not cool.
1. Anakin grewup a slave on Tatooine and besides winning a race that alot of criminals and lowlifes cared about nobody gave a shite.
2. Anakins mom died. He has no family left on Tatooine. Lars and his ho are in no way related to Luke. Maybe step uncle in a very remote way. But if a man had your grandma as a slave then married her only to see sandpeople steal her and kill her, you probably dont want to claim that guy and his turd son as family. Also the old guy in the wheelchair was a #metoo level pervert. Boning his own slaves. The whole situation was not cool.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 8:33 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:19 am to Rou Leed
3. Luke was never a pawn. He was tremendously powerful. And with Kenobi stationed with him looking out for him, they could have took out a devin white like billboard on Tatooine #Skywalkerliveshere. Tatooine was shithole full of farmers and criminals. People wanted to make a small time living or rob people. Nobody wanted the empire around or were looking to rat Luke out.
4. Vader was on Tatooine for the smallest and shittiest amount of time in his life. Its not a hometown with good memories. Its a place he is ashamed of and would like to forget entirely.
4. Vader was on Tatooine for the smallest and shittiest amount of time in his life. Its not a hometown with good memories. Its a place he is ashamed of and would like to forget entirely.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 8:20 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 8:29 am to Rou Leed
5. C3PO was not finished by Anakin. They bought and covered him with the common droid body exterior. R2 was standard droid. Both could hide in plainview. Also if they had standard maintenance memory wipes like they should have, droids dont have memories or information that make them a cause of concern.
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 8:34 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:02 am to Scoob
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For the Empire, no. For Palpatine personally, it's definitely within reason. He has manipulated and played Anakin to make him become Vader. He knows protection and vengeance for family is Anakin's primary motivation for all of his actions. He knows Anakin's past and his family.
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It wouldn't be a big shocker to have someone keep an eye on whatever ties there are left, even if Vader no longer seems to care.
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Frankly, it's a bit surprising that Palpatine didn't have the Lars killed off years before, to remove that potential distraction.
I disagree, unless we assume Palpatine did a through back ground check, why would he even know about Lars or Owen? Anakin didnt really know them. He met them once as far as we know. The Emperor knows his motivation to save Padme and maybe that it was driven by his inability to save his mother but there is no reason for him to have a desire to protect his step dad and step brother
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:03 am to Rou Leed
I think it was brilliant strategy.
Nobody would ever think the wisest Jedi in the universe would be stupid enough to hide Vader’s son on Anakins home planet with the only family he had any real ties to.
Nobody would ever think the wisest Jedi in the universe would be stupid enough to hide Vader’s son on Anakins home planet with the only family he had any real ties to.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:06 am to Rou Leed
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C3PO was not finished by Anakin. They bought and covered him with the common droid body exterior. R2 was standard droid. Both could hide in plainview. Also if they had standard maintenance memory wipes like they should have, droids dont have memories or information that make them a cause of concern.
It’s not that the droids would remember but you’d think someone would remember if he built robot especially if it has the same name he gave it and why would a little kid call it 3PO and not Ralph or something
That whole plot line is beyond stupid
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:21 am to SquatchDawg
Another thing to point out is no Jedi were suppossed to have children in the first place. It was strictly forbiden. The people that knew the truth were Kenobi, Yoda, Organa, Lars, and Palpatine. No one else would ever suspect it.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 9:34 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
THEY LEFT HIM ON ANAKINS HOME PLANET WITH PEOPLE KNOWN TO ANAKIN.
AND YOU THINK HIS NAME IS THE NOTABLE SECURITY ISSUE?
AND YOU THINK HIS NAME IS THE NOTABLE SECURITY ISSUE?
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 9:35 am
Posted on 12/16/18 at 10:37 am to Volvagia
With people Anakin had no emotional or family ties with besides his step Brothers dad banged his mom until the sand people took a turn.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 10:51 am to Volvagia
Yes. All they had to do was change his last name to Lars. I get that Anakin wanted nothing to do with Tatooine, but take saving some precautions.
But as someone said before, SW was probably a stand alone film until it became huge.
But as someone said before, SW was probably a stand alone film until it became huge.
Posted on 12/16/18 at 11:01 am to LSUSUPERSTAR
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But as someone said before, SW was probably a stand alone film until it became huge
That’s true but the real problem is the prequels. So many inconsistencies and plot holes
Posted on 12/16/18 at 4:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
Oops
This post was edited on 12/16/18 at 4:08 pm
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