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Why did the Turk think it was necessary kill Vito Corleone?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:06 am
I get that he thinks the rest of the family MIGHT make the deal with Vito gone but one of the main reasons he tries to cut the deal is Vito's political connections and those would seemingly disappear with Vito out of the way.
Money? I would assume any one of the other families could provide financing along with security especially knowing the Corleone family wouldn't be involved in the narcotics business for the time being.
Money? I would assume any one of the other families could provide financing along with security especially knowing the Corleone family wouldn't be involved in the narcotics business for the time being.
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Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:12 am to RD Dawg
Sonny let it slip during their meeting that he wanted the deal (Sollozzo mentions this to Tom Hagen). Vito said no, with him out of the way, they would have made a deal. He thought he could handle Hot Head Sonny.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:17 am to RD Dawg
Turk was already working with Barzini, with the Tattalia's(Pimp) as the front.
Corleone's refusal was anticipated. The whole arrangement was an excuse for a pre-planned attack on the Corleone family.
Corleone's refusal was anticipated. The whole arrangement was an excuse for a pre-planned attack on the Corleone family.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:18 am to RD Dawg
The Turk was following Barzini’s orders. Don Barzini saw an opportunity to control a brand new industry while also toppling a rival family in the process. It was a power move.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:26 am to ScottFowler
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Turk was already working with Barzini, with the Tattalia's(Pimp) as the front
We all get that
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Corleone's refusal was anticipated. The whole arrangement was an excuse for a pre-planned attack on the Corleone family.
Nothing more than speculation and they didn't need the Turk's deal if they wanted Vito out of the way.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:27 am to H-Town Tiger
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Sonny let it slip during their meeting that he wanted the deal (Sollozzo mentions this to Tom Hagen). Vito said no, with him out of the way, they would have made a deal. He thought he could handle Hot Head Sonny.
Nothing more needed to be added.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:30 am to H-Town Tiger
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Sonny let it slip during their meeting that he wanted the deal
No he didn't.The only time he said anything during the meeting was in regard to the security situation with the Tataglia family even though the Turk THOUGHT he was "hot for the deal"
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:33 am to A Menace to Sobriety
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Nothing more needed to be added.
Except Sonny never let it "slip" that he wanted the deal in the meeting.
ETA and it still doesn't address the
fact that the Corleone's political connections would pretty much be gone with Vito out of the way.Once again, one of the main reasons for the proposed deal.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 10:37 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:36 am to RD Dawg
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No he didn't.The only time he said anything during the meeting was in regard to the security situation with the Tataglia family even though the Turk THOUGHT he was "hot for the deal"
Which showed his hand that he was atleast considering it. Vito was making it very clear that he had no interest and there’s no negotiation necessary because he won’t go for it. Sonny says “wait so you’re telling me they can guarantee our investment?” Before being cut off by Vito. Which signals to Sollozo that Sonny at the very least could be amendable to a deal if he were in power
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 10:39 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:37 am to RD Dawg
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Except Sonny never let it "slip" that he wanted the deal in the meeting.
You’re doing a semantics thing because he didn’t explicitly say it but there’s no way to watch that scene and not understand he showed his cards there to Sollozo
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:39 am to RD Dawg
Isn’t it quite literally explained in the movie?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:41 am to wildtigercat93
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Which showed his hand that he was atleast considering it
Sure but a big difference between wanting the deal and questioning the deal.
And once again,if Vito is gone so are most of the families connections.Protection was one of the main reasons the deal was brought to the Corleones in the first place.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 10:51 am to RD Dawg
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Sure but a big difference between wanting the deal and questioning the deal.
Not in the mafia world. There’s not a whole lot of room for Grey. Them not being a unified front signals a weakness prime for attack by rivals
That’s kind of the entire point of the trilogy, go against or question the family and bad thing s happen
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:20 am to RD Dawg
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No he didn't
uh em
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he only time he said anything during the meeting was in regard to the security situation with the Tataglia family
security for their investment ie if the Corleone Family makes a deal. That tells Sollozzo Sonny wanted the deal
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the Turk THOUGHT he was "hot for the deal"
they don't need assurances as if they were lawyers
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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That tells Sollozzo Sonny wanted the deal
And Sollozzo even tells Hagen as much after they kidnap him.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:26 am to RD Dawg
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And once again,if Vito is gone so are most of the families connections.
I'm not sure where you are getting this
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:38 am to H-Town Tiger
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uh em
uh em what?
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security for their investment ie if the Corleone Family makes a deal. That tells Sollozzo Sonny wanted the deal
Even if that's the case it still doesn't address the fact that Sollozzo loses all those protections that Vito can provide with the Don out of the way. Once again,one of the main reasons for the meeting in the first place.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:50 am to H-Town Tiger
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And once again,if Vito is gone so are most of the families connections.
I'm not sure where you are getting this
Perhaps the movie?
Posted on 7/10/21 at 11:58 am to RD Dawg
Drugs need to be distributed. Vito wasn't going to allow any distribution in his area, and he was influential enough to maybe keep other families out too. If the Don is killed, Sonny could have kept the politicians in his pocket. They were helping the Corleones for money more than respect of the Don.
Sollozo to Tom Hagen: Sonny was hot to make the deal. And you knew it was the right thing to do. The Don, may he rest in peace, was slipping.
Sollozo to Tom Hagen: Sonny was hot to make the deal. And you knew it was the right thing to do. The Don, may he rest in peace, was slipping.
Posted on 7/10/21 at 12:08 pm to RD Dawg
Vito was a "mustache Pete" who was content with gambling, extortion and political rackets, and the Turk knew drugs were the "new quick money" and realized that Sonny was younger and more Americanized and would be easier to manage.
That and Vito "wishes him the best of luck seeing as their business doesn't conflict" but coming from the boss that Vito is in the story, that would mean, "tread lightly or you'll end up dead and I don't care what family is backing you." Essentially Vito's resistance held up the entire plan because the other bosses wouldn't openly disagree with him. That was the entire reason Barzini resorted to the double cross with Tataglia.
ETA: correct Rouser, but "the Don was slipping" was in reference to Sollozo explaining how easy it was to get to at him in the street by that time in his life. Genco was dead, the old Castellammarese Wars (and fighting out in the street days) were over for Vito and was seen as a guy who was old and didn't have much fight left in him for the violent side of things. After all they were able to catch him coming out of his office, using his own guy Paulie to set him up, when Vito knew that trouble could be lurking around the corner.
That and Vito "wishes him the best of luck seeing as their business doesn't conflict" but coming from the boss that Vito is in the story, that would mean, "tread lightly or you'll end up dead and I don't care what family is backing you." Essentially Vito's resistance held up the entire plan because the other bosses wouldn't openly disagree with him. That was the entire reason Barzini resorted to the double cross with Tataglia.
ETA: correct Rouser, but "the Don was slipping" was in reference to Sollozo explaining how easy it was to get to at him in the street by that time in his life. Genco was dead, the old Castellammarese Wars (and fighting out in the street days) were over for Vito and was seen as a guy who was old and didn't have much fight left in him for the violent side of things. After all they were able to catch him coming out of his office, using his own guy Paulie to set him up, when Vito knew that trouble could be lurking around the corner.
This post was edited on 7/10/21 at 12:13 pm
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