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Why can’t the woke movement create new content instead of using established properties?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:40 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:40 pm
Question as asked
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:42 pm to weagle99
Because their goal is destruction.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:45 pm to weagle99
Because that mindset makes for poor storytelling. Because any serious take on it can easily become satirical by accident.
So they take existing properties and try to shoehorn in the message.
So they take existing properties and try to shoehorn in the message.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:48 pm to weagle99
I think it's partly about changing/replacing the culture, but a big part is probably because they lack the creativity and patience to create something new and interesting, so they just change something that has it's own built in popularity and if people complain, they are just a ___-ist.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:49 pm to weagle99
Hollywood is too risk-averse to greenlight any project without a bankable star or a pre-existing fanbase to leach off of. Thus, for writers, it’s all about using established franchises as vehicles for telling the stories they want to write.
The best example of this is Joker. That movie idea did NOT start out as being attached to Batman. A character melodrama about mental illness decline against the backdrop of a declining social and economic order, and how that could drive a man to commit bad acts, was what the author wanted to make. However, Hollywood wouldn’t greenlight the script without it being attached to a franchise. So, it was reworked to make it an origin story for The Batman’s nemesis The Joker, and boom, we have an academy award winning “super hero” movie.
Sometimes, this sorta works, like with Joker, but often, it results in a movie that offends the pre-existing fanbase because it has nothing to do with pre-established characters. That’s the danger of trying to take an unrelated story and shoehorn it into a franchise with beloved characters, stories, and themes.
Granted, the reason these original projects can’t get greenlit in the first place is because most of them SUCK. The only thing that gives those projects a chance at not losing money is to trick enough of those fans into seeing it.
The best example of this is Joker. That movie idea did NOT start out as being attached to Batman. A character melodrama about mental illness decline against the backdrop of a declining social and economic order, and how that could drive a man to commit bad acts, was what the author wanted to make. However, Hollywood wouldn’t greenlight the script without it being attached to a franchise. So, it was reworked to make it an origin story for The Batman’s nemesis The Joker, and boom, we have an academy award winning “super hero” movie.
Sometimes, this sorta works, like with Joker, but often, it results in a movie that offends the pre-existing fanbase because it has nothing to do with pre-established characters. That’s the danger of trying to take an unrelated story and shoehorn it into a franchise with beloved characters, stories, and themes.
Granted, the reason these original projects can’t get greenlit in the first place is because most of them SUCK. The only thing that gives those projects a chance at not losing money is to trick enough of those fans into seeing it.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:55 pm to weagle99
Hollywood was already remaking every IP they could before wokeism took over.
Those pushing wokeness are going to rely on established IPs b/c original content gets hammered, generally. Add in woekess and it's DOA.
Those pushing wokeness are going to rely on established IPs b/c original content gets hammered, generally. Add in woekess and it's DOA.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 6:58 pm to kingbob
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Granted, the reason these original projects can’t get greenlit in the first place is because most of them SUCK.
And they're terribly expensive. Due to how Hollywood has warped the expectations of the utes, the utes demand expensive flash.
If your system requires a $200M budget, $50M reshooting budget, and $300M marketing budgets, you're at $550M in revenue at the theaters (which is not 100%) just to break even.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Tolkien explained it well:
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:12 pm to td01241
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Evil cannot create
What an asinine comment. The Hollywood you hate has created all of your favorite movies and shows.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:14 pm to SlimTigerSlap
You’re a damn idiot it’s a famous quote
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hollywood was already remaking every IP they could before wokeism took over.
Wokeism was in Hollywood far longer than people realize…it just used to be much more subtle and manipulative. Now, the cats out of the bag.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:16 pm to td01241
"You’re a damn idiot it’s a famous quote"
See above: That's a quote too. What's your point?
See above: That's a quote too. What's your point?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:17 pm to weagle99
1.They are not creative.
2. They want to tear things down.
3. They are trying to appeal to a demographic that only exists in social media algorithms.
4. some mix of that.
2. They want to tear things down.
3. They are trying to appeal to a demographic that only exists in social media algorithms.
4. some mix of that.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:19 pm to weagle99
Genuine question, are some of you under some misguided perception that the overwhelming majority of content created on TV/Film is NOT conceived, authored, directed, and starred in by center-left to far left creatives?
Throw a dart at the most popular shows on this board(House of the Dragon, Better Call Saul, Cobra Kai, The Wire, Severance, The Boys, Black Bird, Peacemaker), and chances are you will find a liberal that penned its story. And much of the most popular tv shows not on here: Euphoria, Bridgerton, Squid Game, Witcher, Handmaids Tale, Sex Education, Queens Gambit, White Lotus, Sandman, Ted Lasso, It’s Always Sunny, Abbott Elementary, to name a few. Again, all liberals
What are the conservative bangers these days? That weird Hunter Biden movie, Law and Order, and The Terminal List? Cool…..
Throw a dart at the most popular shows on this board(House of the Dragon, Better Call Saul, Cobra Kai, The Wire, Severance, The Boys, Black Bird, Peacemaker), and chances are you will find a liberal that penned its story. And much of the most popular tv shows not on here: Euphoria, Bridgerton, Squid Game, Witcher, Handmaids Tale, Sex Education, Queens Gambit, White Lotus, Sandman, Ted Lasso, It’s Always Sunny, Abbott Elementary, to name a few. Again, all liberals
What are the conservative bangers these days? That weird Hunter Biden movie, Law and Order, and The Terminal List? Cool…..
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:24 pm to Bronc
Correct. Do they not connect the art and film majors they hate so much with the art and film they consume so often?
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:30 pm to weagle99
Wokeism isn’t the source, it’s the excuse.
A lot of these programs being green lit aren’t very good. By shoehorning politics into the narrative studios give themselves a shield against criticism.
If the shield was, say, gun rights then every movie would have someone having a dialogue about your right to bear arms. You’d see Nemo telling you how much you need your gun.
Then anyone telling Pixar that seems weird for a kid movie set in the ocean to have guns in it would be told that they hate freedom and the Second Amendment.
Woke is just the soup de jour.
A lot of these programs being green lit aren’t very good. By shoehorning politics into the narrative studios give themselves a shield against criticism.
If the shield was, say, gun rights then every movie would have someone having a dialogue about your right to bear arms. You’d see Nemo telling you how much you need your gun.
Then anyone telling Pixar that seems weird for a kid movie set in the ocean to have guns in it would be told that they hate freedom and the Second Amendment.
Woke is just the soup de jour.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:41 pm to Bronc
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Throw a dart at the most popular shows on this board(House of the Dragon, Better Call Saul, Cobra Kai, The Wire, Severance, The Boys, Black Bird, Peacemaker), and chances are you will find a liberal that penned its story. And much of the most popular tv shows not on here: Euphoria, Bridgerton, Squid Game, Witcher, Handmaids Tale, Sex Education, Queens Gambit, White Lotus, Sandman, Ted Lasso, It’s Always Sunny, Abbott Elementary, to name a few. Again, all liberals
So? You mentioned a bunch of shows, created by liberals, that were original and somehow managed to entertaining without shoehorning in unnecessary political messages.
That proves that it can be done. So it appears you have missed the point.
Why add "wokeness" to established and beloved properties? Why can't "THE MESSAGE" stand on it's own with original content?
I think you know the reason, but I sense you don't want to admit it.
Posted on 9/21/22 at 7:58 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Was the thread title not “Why can’t the woke movement create new content instead of using established properties?”
Seems pretty clear they can, and you agree.
Also multiple people have explained why Hollywood keeps recycling the same things and just adding broader appealing casts, they are risk averse, have an eye increasingly toward the international marketplace, want the path of least resistance from people creating bad press about their issues of corporate representation(so casting poc masks the fact that most of the corporate structure is still predominately the same as its always been) and studios are increasingly just cogs in larger corporate machines that want guaranteed revenue streams that are repeatable, hence again the love of cinematic universes and endless sequels/reboots.
Seems pretty clear they can, and you agree.
Also multiple people have explained why Hollywood keeps recycling the same things and just adding broader appealing casts, they are risk averse, have an eye increasingly toward the international marketplace, want the path of least resistance from people creating bad press about their issues of corporate representation(so casting poc masks the fact that most of the corporate structure is still predominately the same as its always been) and studios are increasingly just cogs in larger corporate machines that want guaranteed revenue streams that are repeatable, hence again the love of cinematic universes and endless sequels/reboots.
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 9/21/22 at 8:07 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Lumping handmaids tale in with some of those shows what a clown
Edit not you vol the guy who posted it
Edit not you vol the guy who posted it
This post was edited on 9/21/22 at 8:10 pm
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