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re: Why are the SW prequels fair game for criticism, but TFA somehow sacred?

Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:51 pm to
Posted by UMRealist
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:51 pm to
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Help me understand why, with many of the same issues, it's so different?

What are the same issues?
Posted by Master of Sinanju
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:52 pm to
It's brand new. Let us fap a little.
Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:54 pm to
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I think the main antagonist is far more fleshed out and interesting than Darth Vader was at this same time in the original trilogy.


The thing I liked most about Kylo was that he wasn't calm and collected, he didn't handle bad news well.

Vader was calm and cool, yeah he would choke an officer out here and there, but he didn't destroy an entire console in a rage or anything.
This post was edited on 12/20/15 at 10:55 pm
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:54 pm to
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Can you point out some? I'm genuinely intrigued.


The way Rey was introduced was perfect. You knew exactly who she was and could relate to her struggles before she even said a word. She was introduced to the audience better than Luke Skywalker was in the OT.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:55 pm to
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1. I feel as if the acting in The Force Awakens is better than what we found in the OT.


Specifically whose acting? Certainly not everyone's?

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2. I think the main antagonist is far more fleshed out and interesting than Darth Vader was at this same time in the original trilogy.


Darth Vader was iconic in ANH. A masked menace. Powerful. Imposing. And with that Voice. He was the Dark Lord of the Sith.

No way Kylo Ren came close, IMO, but what makes you feel that way? Because he was shown to be weak and conflicted and flawed?

Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:55 pm to
Good thing TFA made $500,000,000 this weekend, so they can afford the rent in your head
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:55 pm to
Luke was the most annoying character ever for about the first 30 minutes.
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:56 pm to
Main thing for me is that it didn't seem to fit the universe at all. It felt like it was 100 years in the future of the original trilogy definitely not the past. This one felt like Star Wars to me. The prequels didn't at all other than a few familiar characters.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:56 pm to
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She was introduced to the audience better than Luke Skywalker was in the OT.


This scene told us all we needed to know about Luke Skywalker.

Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:58 pm to
Agreed. Buy you had known Luke for a good while before that scene.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:58 pm to
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Because he was shown to be weak and conflicted and flawed?


These characteristics make Anakin whiny and bitchy. But they make Kylo Ren deep and confused
Posted by ReturnoftheMuschamp
The Carolinas
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:59 pm to
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I'm wondering if a lot to do with all this is when the Prequels came out, the modern Internet was still in it's relative infancy.


And access to the multitude of opinions and the like is actually changing the reception.


We are a much more cynical society today than then. I mean we have nearly half of critics giving good entertaining movies like Minions and Man of Steel bad reviews. Why? Why did every movie have to be some shitty arthouse drama about gay cowboys eating pudding? I mean we are at a point now where the only movies that get praised are ones that are a lock for Best Picture nominees, and yet good entertaining, fun movies like Kingsman are given a collective "meh" by critics.

It has to be the cynicism, the everybody wants to be a critic, the hipster movement in our society amongst other things.

But really, if you can't see the fun and entertainment provided by TFA, then that's a you problem.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:59 pm to
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Exactly. They are treating this movie like it is the worst movie to be released since Gigli.



Gigli didn't exactly have Legions of fanboys jizzing themselves like it was the second coming.

I mean, I loved seeing Han Solo again, don't get me wrong.

But the absolute vehemence against legitimate criticism of this film, versus the prequels, is astonishing to me.

Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 10:59 pm to
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This is a perfect discussion to have. Can you point out some? I'm genuinely intrigued.


Lets look at the main villain. If you isolate the original trilogy to A New Hope, who is Darth Vader? What is his motivation? He's basically a robot man in a black suite with an imposing voice. I can't think of many more ways to describe his character, and while he's given more significance in subsequent installments, his actual character is largely the same until the very end.

Kylo Ren is a much more layered villain, actually given an intriguing level of character development right from the start. It is assumed that he was Luke's apprentice until turning to the dark side and destroying Luke's new Jedi order.

Ren is Han and Leia's son and hasn't completely turned to the dark side at least prior to the events near the end of the film. What is intriguing about this is that rather than Ren struggling to return to the light, he's struggling to rid himself of the light, and relies on an unhealthy and somewhat nutty obsession with Darth Vader.

He's extremely powerful as evidenced by the force powers he exhibits in the film (stopping laser bolts mid blast, mind-reading, freezing people in place), but he is also inexperienced, headstrong, and not in control of his emotions as exhibited by his tantrums and his inability to focus during his fight with Rey/Finn.

Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:01 pm to
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Agreed. Buy you had known Luke for a good while before that scene.


All you really saw was him clean R2 while learning about Leia and then get told he can't leave the farm for another year
Posted by UMRealist
Member since Feb 2013
35906 posts
Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:02 pm to
Writing and acting are to blame for that IMO.. Ren's writing and acting and direction is way better.. I feel like Ren is who Annakin was envisioned to be.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:02 pm to
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These characteristics make Anakin whiny and bitchy. But they make Kylo Ren deep and confused



EXACTLY!

At least anakin has a plausible reason for his angstiness.

Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:02 pm to
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
21938 posts
Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:04 pm to
The question posed was to point out something TFA did better than the OT. Rey was introduced to the audience better than Luke was. That's all I'm saying.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 12/20/15 at 11:14 pm to
Oh I see. I did really like her introduction scene.
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