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re: White Men & Television Shows + What Happened?
Posted on 12/27/25 at 9:38 pm to Cockopotamus
Posted on 12/27/25 at 9:38 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:
They quit hiring straight white guys.
The Lost Generation by Jacob Savage
quote:
In 2011, the year I moved to Los Angeles, white men were 48 percent of lower-level TV writers; by 2024, they accounted for just 11.9 percent. The Atlantic’s editorial staff went from 53 percent male and 89 percent white in 2013 to 36 percent male and 66 percent white in 2024. White men fell from 39 percent of tenure-track positions in the humanities at Harvard in 2014 to 18 percent in 2023.
In retrospect, 2014 was the hinge, the year DEI became institutionalized across American life.
The big lie wasn't that affirmative action or DEI didn't exist. The big lie was how devastating it was to the normal opportunity available to all people without respect to sex, race, or other characteristics.
Which is an outright betrayal of the best parts of 60s liberalism - at the core of which is the idea of equal opportunity without discrimination.
That's good and I would argue even essential for maximum social welfare in an open and democratic society
If you don't want that egalitarian value implemented and discrimination outlawed I think you are asking for a suboptimal and unstable society. A society in which people will leverage their identities against others and inevitably discriminating on the basis of sex, race, or other immutable characteristics
We're 60 plus years into the affirmative action project and the results cumulatively show more harm than good. The greatest advancement in wealth and educational gains preceded the political interference. The more affluent or connected bourgeoisie don't intend to effect change that affects them or theirs. They just prefer to demonstrate their morals by badmouthing white trash and pretending lowered expectations for certain types of minority groups is compassionate or enlightened instead of condescending or bigoted.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 9:48 pm to ShotGunGordan
I remember reading a scholarly piece about 40 years ago, which detailed how women look and reflect back upon life as more of a long, intertwining thread. But men look back on life and discern it as individual incidents. Hence, females innately preferred serialized, unending storylines, whereas men preferred stories that were self-contained with distinct beginnings and endings. Don't recall if this was due to differing brain patterns or cultural imprinting, or if that aspect was even addressed. But it did seem to make sense, and ever since, I always interpreted the explosion of serialization in television the past two to three decades as a reflection of its feminization.
Personally, I have no interest in a tv-series that is long and drawn-out, concentrating on soapy arcs. The idea of getting mired in these types of modern shows that drag on and on like that has absolutely zero appeal to me. From what I've observed from them, narratives are stretched to ludicrous degrees, while emotionalism is ramped up to operatic levels. People have accepted this as the normal form these days, and part of a progression/evolution, but I still find it pretty off-kilter. I do wonder where trends will go from here in the future, in terms of narrative structure.
I find appeal in older shows and movies not because of some perceived 'whiteness,' but because I tend to actually 'like' the characters they serve up. An identification perhaps due in part to their greater sense of moral certitude. I enjoy such characters, and (as with the old westerns) I like to travel their trail and vicariously share in their approaches to conflict. It's solid. It's aspirational. It's a tonic for the soul. I just don't get that quality with modern shows and modern characters. They nag. They harangue. They exude detached irony. They're eaten up with angst and emotion. And frankly, they just ultimately annoy me. Is it correct to just chalk these things up to feminization? Probably not. It's something bigger than that, which has oozed up from modern culture and its endless grievances.
Personally, I have no interest in a tv-series that is long and drawn-out, concentrating on soapy arcs. The idea of getting mired in these types of modern shows that drag on and on like that has absolutely zero appeal to me. From what I've observed from them, narratives are stretched to ludicrous degrees, while emotionalism is ramped up to operatic levels. People have accepted this as the normal form these days, and part of a progression/evolution, but I still find it pretty off-kilter. I do wonder where trends will go from here in the future, in terms of narrative structure.
I find appeal in older shows and movies not because of some perceived 'whiteness,' but because I tend to actually 'like' the characters they serve up. An identification perhaps due in part to their greater sense of moral certitude. I enjoy such characters, and (as with the old westerns) I like to travel their trail and vicariously share in their approaches to conflict. It's solid. It's aspirational. It's a tonic for the soul. I just don't get that quality with modern shows and modern characters. They nag. They harangue. They exude detached irony. They're eaten up with angst and emotion. And frankly, they just ultimately annoy me. Is it correct to just chalk these things up to feminization? Probably not. It's something bigger than that, which has oozed up from modern culture and its endless grievances.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:33 pm to ShotGunGordan
Calling out your dumb posts for being nothing more than whiny bullshite isn't being angry it's just stating facts. You sounding like Nick Fuentes might be the problem here..
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:35 pm to weagle1999
Yeah the girl power series where the one who sits on the throne is a man his closest advisor is a also man, and meanwhile the only women left are fricking off to travel, staying in the frozen north, or serve the King
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:52 pm to Aeolian Vocalion
quote:there are also more practical reasons
I remember reading a scholarly piece about 40 years ago, which detailed how women look and reflect back upon life as more of a long, intertwining thread. But men look back on life and discern it as individual incidents. Hence, females innately preferred serialized, unending storylines, whereas men preferred stories that were self-contained with distinct beginnings and endings. Don't recall if this was due to differing brain patterns or cultural imprinting, or if that aspect was even addressed. But it did seem to make sense, and ever since, I always interpreted the explosion of serialization in television the past two to three decades as a reflection of its feminization
stories concerning personal relationships and interactions are cheaper to produce than action shows.
also, in the '70s you had Columbo, Kojak, Rockford, Baretta etc... Those characters were the suns their shows circled around. This gave the stars a lot of power.
ensemble shows spread out the power among the actors.
In the '40s radio soaps would often name the show something like Life Can Be Wonderful instead of Wise Aunt Gladys, so in case Aunt Gladys got demanding the actress could just be fired w/o even changing the title.
I think the recent Costner situation may illustrate this star vehicle vs ensemble idea
Posted on 12/27/25 at 10:56 pm to ShotGunGordan
Wow, you sound like a huge pussy.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:08 pm to ShotGunGordan
quote:That is all social justice has ever been
revenge is your answer.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:20 pm to Kafka
quote:
also, in the '70s you had Columbo, Kojak, Rockford, Baretta etc...
I'll have to check those out. I've seen Cannon, Barnaby Jones, and Mannix from the '70's.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:24 pm to ShotGunGordan
quote:"Redface", liberals like to call it.
Just about all the leading roles for Indians, the ones who had speaking roles, were white men in Indian face.
And the actors were mostly either Italians or Jews
It's kind of fun to be watching an old oater and suddenly Morris Ankrum shows up in a ceremonial headdress: "We no trustem white man"
The craziest Indian casting I've ever seen has to be an ep of Daniel Boone w/Lloyd "It's a cookbook!" Bochner. He didn't look Indian, and he sure as hell didn't sound Indian
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:27 pm to ShotGunGordan
Rockford is the GOAT private eye show
Columbo (you've never seen it????) is the GOAT detective show
these are the two must-watches
Columbo (you've never seen it????) is the GOAT detective show
these are the two must-watches
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:28 pm to dawgfan24348
quote:
Calling out your dumb posts for being nothing more than whiny bullshite isn't being angry it's just stating facts. You sounding like Nick Fuentes might be the problem here..
You seem unable to talk about anything rationally and rely on emotion and used fantasized slights to focus your angst.
You seem to imagine attacking those who wish to discuss a topic you don't see the same way as them is your only recourse.
Case in point, in your mind, I'm just like Nick Fuentes, Hitler, or maybe a Klanner for reasonably discussing the easily discernible blueprint given to the great majority of white actors in modern television series.
You seem kind of silly.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:31 pm to Kafka
quote:
Rockford is the GOAT private eye show
Columbo (you've never seen it????) is the GOAT detective show
these are the two must-watches
They are going on my must watch list then. I'm glad I started this thread. I may not have ever known about these shows and others that posters have suggested.
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:41 pm to ShotGunGordan
Remember you want the '70s Rockford and Columbo
there were '90s revivals
Rockford TV movies weren't very good
In general, avoid the Columbos
there were '90s revivals
Rockford TV movies weren't very good
In general, avoid the Columbos
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:52 pm to Kafka
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:57 pm to Aeolian Vocalion
quote:(Clipped only for brevity in the response)
I remember reading a scholarly piece about 40 years ago, which detailed how women look and reflect back upon life as more of a long, intertwining thread. But men look back on life and discern it as individual incidents.
That was great, Aeolian Vocalion. Thanks for that response; it is a lot to consider.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 6:14 am to dawgfan24348
This place is Poli board 2.0 unfortunately.
The mad retards have flooded this place.
The mad retards have flooded this place.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 6:45 am to ShotGunGordan
I see you have not learned your lesson.
You already have your ‘mind’ made up about this topic, so there is no value in having a conversation with you.
Good luck with this tactic! I’m sure it flummoxes children, morons, and your entire family.
You already have your ‘mind’ made up about this topic, so there is no value in having a conversation with you.
Good luck with this tactic! I’m sure it flummoxes children, morons, and your entire family.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 7:25 am to ShotGunGordan
0/10
Just absolutely disappointing that trolls aren't worth a piss anymore.
Just absolutely disappointing that trolls aren't worth a piss anymore.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 8:25 am to Cockopotamus
It really does have to do with the ratios. Seems like 13% of the actual population, is 60% of the TV population.
People need to stop supporting the bias.
People need to stop supporting the bias.
Posted on 12/28/25 at 8:33 am to SammyTiger
But there's a driving force in Hollywood that perpetuates one and only one image for the male adult characters.
Buffoons
Uneducated
Slobs
Self centered.
Overly opinionated..
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Buffoons
Uneducated
Slobs
Self centered.
Overly opinionated..
Wash, rinse, repeat.
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