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re: Where are all my FRINGE buddies? It's the future dammit!!!
Posted on 5/7/11 at 11:58 am to PsychTiger
Posted on 5/7/11 at 11:58 am to PsychTiger
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Peter never existing really doesn't make much sense, yet. I wonder if with all the uncertainty there was about the show being renewed or not the actor playing Peter got another job and left the show, and this was their way of writing him off the show.
Two just wild thoughts related to the "Peter never existed" ending:
1. Perhaps when Peter was in the machine what he saw was visions of one possible future and he wasn't actually in the future during that time. Just has Walter created a window to view the parallel universe without actually being/existing in that universe at the time.
2. Perhaps the observers already know the future which becomes a result of resetting time back to the point before Walter makes the decision to save Peter only this time he chooses to sacrifice Peter to save both universes.
However, this doesn't explain Peter never having existed unless they reset back to the time before Peter was born and somehow Peter is never conceived. For instance, the observers might foster a medical diagnosis that reveals to Walter and his wife that their child will have that disease that Walternate's Peter died from. Thus, they chose to adopt instead of having a child between them.
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Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:29 pm to davesdawgs
My thoughts (which is a bit of a SPOILER if you haven't seen the episode yet)...
When future-Peter came back in time, he used the machine to create a bubble in space-time that fused the labs of both worlds. Think of time as a small stream, future-Peter created a rock and put both labs on it.
He may have also gone back in time to stop "our" Walter from peering into the other universe in the regular timeline, thus the Watcher's comment. So while the two teams from the two universes work to fix the problem outside of time, a whole new history has been written in the two universes. Just like doing a System Restore with Windows though, it isn't the perfect fix so there are still tears and that's what Peter's teams are trying to fix.
Thoughts?
When future-Peter came back in time, he used the machine to create a bubble in space-time that fused the labs of both worlds. Think of time as a small stream, future-Peter created a rock and put both labs on it.
He may have also gone back in time to stop "our" Walter from peering into the other universe in the regular timeline, thus the Watcher's comment. So while the two teams from the two universes work to fix the problem outside of time, a whole new history has been written in the two universes. Just like doing a System Restore with Windows though, it isn't the perfect fix so there are still tears and that's what Peter's teams are trying to fix.
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 5/7/11 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:49 pm to CE Tiger
Well I mean the public not being the only reason. He caused a global catastrophe which based off the future the general public is aware off. And if the future is anything like the present, someone had to be held accountable
Posted on 5/7/11 at 12:58 pm to jojothetireguy
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Well I mean the public not being the only reason. He caused a global catastrophe which based off the future the general public is aware off. And if the future is anything like the present, someone had to be held accountable
And with bin Laden dead they had to find someone else to blame.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 1:21 pm to PsychTiger
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And with bin Laden dead they had to find someone else to blame.
I loves the crazy Walter beard. Also did anyone notice he was showing signs like he had a stroke?
Posted on 5/7/11 at 2:52 pm to jojothetireguy
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Also did anyone notice he was showing signs like he had a stroke?
I dunno... Sometimes just watching this show makes me react like that.
Posted on 5/7/11 at 3:03 pm to Bard
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When future-Peter came back in time, he used the machine to create a bubble in space-time that fused the labs of both worlds. Think of time as a small stream, future-Peter created a rock and put both labs on it.
Without dwelling on the "Peter didn't exist" quandary, it appears the key is one of 2 things:
1. Obviously the machine can destroy both worlds but by Peter creating the space/time bridge allowing the 2 universe teams to work together, you have to wonder if the machine can be used to save both worlds by separating them. The apparent problem is that Walter pulled the universes together when he brought Peter over from the alternate universe. This created an imbalance that caused the universes to overlap leading to the disastrous wormholes, etc. Possibly the only way to restore the balance is for Peter to die.
2. Or if the machine can only be used to destroy the universes then the only alternative is a time reset back to before the machine was turned on in the alternate universe using DNA from Olivia's baby. Again either Peter must not exist or must never hook up with Olivia.
One thing I need to re-watch is when future Walter talked about how to avoid creating a paradox when they sent the machine pieces back in time. The only thing that makes sense if the machine components are from the future is if they were sent back so the machine could be used to avoid disaster unless of course they didn't realize that the machine could cause the disaster.
The possibilities is giving me a headache. heheeThis post was edited on 5/8/11 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:03 pm to yurintroubl
One of the best episodes of Fringe, and a stellar season Closer. This season had a lot of ups and downs, but it ended spectacularly.
Posted on 5/8/11 at 3:47 pm to jojothetireguy
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Also did anyone notice he was showing signs like he had a stroke?
I did, I thought it was a great touch.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 6:58 am to Bard
I was completely stunned at the end of the episode.
I was staring at the TV for a few minutes before I had to rewind the DVR and rewatch the last five minutes. It still didn't help. I'm looking forward to what they do next.
I was staring at the TV for a few minutes before I had to rewind the DVR and rewatch the last five minutes. It still didn't help. I'm looking forward to what they do next.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:42 am to PsychTiger
My explanation of the final episode. While Walter is in Prison Peter tells him of the worm hole that just opened up 250 million years ago. At the end of the episode Walter and Peter build the Time machine/universe mender and send it back thru time via the worm hole. The primary intent of the machine is for Peter to be able to go back and warn the past that destroying one universe will destroy both universes and to create a work room between two warring sides. It obviously has the ability to create worm holes between the two universes as Peter tells the combined group he did this via the machine.
When Future Peter tells the combined group they need to work together to repair the the holes etc. the cataclysmic future Peter came from all of a sudden doesn't exist because the combined group works together and doesn't destroy one another. However the original Peter that is in the current time line never got into the machine so he is still around someplace.
When Future Peter tells the combined group they need to work together to repair the the holes etc. the cataclysmic future Peter came from all of a sudden doesn't exist because the combined group works together and doesn't destroy one another. However the original Peter that is in the current time line never got into the machine so he is still around someplace.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:47 am to Oyster
One question I thought of last night. The Bell from the imbalanced Walter side is the only one that is the show.
What about Alternate Bell from the Walternate side? He is never accounted for. Certainly anyone that smart would be around too.
What about Alternate Bell from the Walternate side? He is never accounted for. Certainly anyone that smart would be around too.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:49 am to Bard
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Also did anyone notice he was showing signs like he had a stroke?
I did, I thought it was a great touch.
I noticed it too. I'm wondering if they gave the actor some sort of injection to "deaden" his facial muscles while playing Walter only. Great touch.
This season was very well done. I also did notice that things did pick up after the series was confirmed to have another season. My mind is still trying to figure out what exactly happened. I will watch it again this week to try to put more of the pieces together.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 7:51 am to Oyster
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What about Alternate Bell from the Walternate side? He is never accounted for. Certainly anyone that smart would be around too.
They said he died (I believe in a car accident early in life) before meeting Walternate in one of the first alt universe episodes.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 12:49 pm to Oyster
Finally got the chance to watch. HOLY FRINGE. Mind-baloooowing.
Kind of what I was thinking. Peter doesn't exist in the paradox he himself has created and traveled back to, i.e. the combined universe. However, the Peter in actual time does still exist.
Also, my sister pointed out that there were a bunch of new words in the opening sequence. One of them was "biosuspension"...so maybe Peter is in some sort of suspended animation? Just a thought. Dual Maternity also appeared, which I suspect has something to do with the two Olivias and the one baby...but I can't start thinking about that either because I get way confused.
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When Future Peter tells the combined group they need to work together to repair the the holes etc. the cataclysmic future Peter came from all of a sudden doesn't exist because the combined group works together and doesn't destroy one another. However the original Peter that is in the current time line never got into the machine so he is still around someplace.
Kind of what I was thinking. Peter doesn't exist in the paradox he himself has created and traveled back to, i.e. the combined universe. However, the Peter in actual time does still exist.
Also, my sister pointed out that there were a bunch of new words in the opening sequence. One of them was "biosuspension"...so maybe Peter is in some sort of suspended animation? Just a thought. Dual Maternity also appeared, which I suspect has something to do with the two Olivias and the one baby...but I can't start thinking about that either because I get way confused.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:06 pm to Elwood P Dowd
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Kind of what I was thinking. Peter doesn't exist in the paradox he himself has created and traveled back to, i.e. the combined universe. However, the Peter in actual time does still exist.
Yeah but the Observers' response still has me confused unless future Peter is how the machine on Walternate's side was turned on??
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Finally got the chance to watch. HOLY FRINGE. Mind-baloooowing.
Fringe's has hit a HR with each of the season finales
BEST SHOW ON TV!!
This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:12 pm to STEVED00
EW.com Theories
Great articles with a lot of good theories (including suspended animation). However, I don't know how I feel about a clone of Peter's taking the machine back. That's a bit weird (even for Fringe).
Great articles with a lot of good theories (including suspended animation). However, I don't know how I feel about a clone of Peter's taking the machine back. That's a bit weird (even for Fringe).
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:22 pm to Oyster
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However the original Peter that is in the current time line never got into the machine so he is still around someplace.
What did happen to original Peter? Who built the machine originally? Is the machine the solution that future Walter and Walternate come up with? I thought this season was heading for a predictable ending that would send the series into a lull. They came up with a potentially good new story arc for next season.
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:46 pm to TigerinATL
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What did happen to original Peter?
??????
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Who built the machine originally?
Apparently Walter made it originally and then sent it back in time to try to fix what he did when he figured out that destroying one universe will also destroy the other.
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I thought this season was heading for a predictable ending that would send the series into a lull. They came up with a potentially good new story arc for next season.
So many different ways this could go...
Posted on 5/9/11 at 1:55 pm to STEVED00
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??????
2011 Peter didn't show up in 2026 like normally happens with time travel, we jumped ahead to the perspective of 2026 Peter. So what happened to the Peter that stepped into the Machine in 2011?
This post was edited on 5/9/11 at 1:56 pm
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