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re: Wheel of Time - Season 1 - Amazon - NOW A BOOK READERS THREAD
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:02 am to Bard
Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:02 am to Bard
In the books it seems like almost every female was described some level of hot/pretty/beautiful.
Even Faile...
They certainly have not kept that up in the show.
Even Faile...
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Her other obvious Saldaean features include a bold, hooked nose, high cheekbones, prominent slightly tilted dark eyes, and a wide mouth which some might have found too wide. Faile is tall and slim with a high voice and a flat way of speaking. She is beautiful in an exotic way; and it took Perrin several weeks to decide if he found her attractive or not.
They certainly have not kept that up in the show.
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Posted on 11/29/21 at 11:57 am to Heron_Blade_Master
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I always imagined Liandrin as being hot … evil, but hot. Jordan described her as pretty with a face bearing doll-like features and a rosebud mouth. With that odd chipmunk-cheek jawline, this actress is not doll-like or hot at all.
The second she popped up on screen my wife said “that the lady Ron saved in the ministry of magic.”
Very random “that was the same actor/actressing” from her but solid work.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:35 pm to 3nOut
I havent read the thread because i'm just now about to finish up book one and dont want full book series spoilers, just an opinion about the season so far from a humble newb...
I think if I had to answer a "how does it compare to the books" question, i'd simply say that so far, there is very little in common with the books and just enjoy it as a kind of good show.
Book one is fresh on my mind so I can at least speak to what has taken place so far, but I dont get a "this is a pretty accurate rendition" feel at all. Like none. So far I am enjoying the show and im going to continue to do so if it stays a quality show and im not going to compare it to Game of Thrones which is what everyone seems to do.
I'll say it again to try and avoid the downvotes, I like it so far and it looks to be getting better, but for the most part im thinking "well this is nothing like the books" rather than the other way around. There's not really anything I would say they are getting spot on, which is a bit of a shame.
Foundation on Apple+ is a show that took an incredibly iconic/good source material and flipped it on it head and did a terrible job of telling the story. It was like the creators sole purpose was to do exactly the opposite of what the books did and had a "Yea i'm smarter than the greatest science fiction writer of all time so i'm going to tell my version of the story." I get a similiar vibe from the WoT creators, but they at least know how to make an appealing show. Maybe its the pace thats throwing it off , but there was very little character development and thats pretty crucial at the beginning of a major show if they want you to really care about the characters.
I think if I had to answer a "how does it compare to the books" question, i'd simply say that so far, there is very little in common with the books and just enjoy it as a kind of good show.
Book one is fresh on my mind so I can at least speak to what has taken place so far, but I dont get a "this is a pretty accurate rendition" feel at all. Like none. So far I am enjoying the show and im going to continue to do so if it stays a quality show and im not going to compare it to Game of Thrones which is what everyone seems to do.
I'll say it again to try and avoid the downvotes, I like it so far and it looks to be getting better, but for the most part im thinking "well this is nothing like the books" rather than the other way around. There's not really anything I would say they are getting spot on, which is a bit of a shame.
Foundation on Apple+ is a show that took an incredibly iconic/good source material and flipped it on it head and did a terrible job of telling the story. It was like the creators sole purpose was to do exactly the opposite of what the books did and had a "Yea i'm smarter than the greatest science fiction writer of all time so i'm going to tell my version of the story." I get a similiar vibe from the WoT creators, but they at least know how to make an appealing show. Maybe its the pace thats throwing it off , but there was very little character development and thats pretty crucial at the beginning of a major show if they want you to really care about the characters.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 1:59 pm to LSUBoo
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In the books it seems like almost every female was described some level of hot/pretty/beautiful.
Jordan definitely had some wish fulfillment in his book.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:07 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I like it so far and it looks to be getting better, but for the most part im thinking "well this is nothing like the books" rather than the other way around. There's not really anything I would say they are getting spot on, which is a bit of a shame.
I mentioned earlier in the thread that the book and the show are like two different people taking trips from New Orleans to Atlanta but that one is driving and the other is taking a train. Same start and (probably) same ending while going in the same general direction but taking slightly different paths to get there.
Some of the things they are doing might make sense later (like Perrin being married or Matt being a thief) or they may have been just to give those characters more flesh earlier (because both characters were somewhat flat in the first book). Other things, like how they rushed the flight from Emond's Field to the point where it made Rand's blowup at Moiraine feel awkward and out of place... that makes me wonder exactly how much of a grasp on the story they really have.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:14 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:i fricking guarantee you you have NOT. Ive been reading them since the 90s kiddo and have read the first 6 books more than 10 times each.
guarantee I’ve been reading the books a lot longer than you and I completely disagree.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:43 pm to LSU316
quote:As a lifelong book reader who waited year after year for each new release, reading them over and over and over again....I expected them to at least follow the general premise of the story, character depictions that were similar and follow the actual chain of events that happened.
I'm just wondering what book readers expected from this series.
Unfortunately that didnt happen. Now i have had to suspend my memory of the books just to watch this series...saying that, its ok. Its entertaining and will captivate those audiences that enjoy fantasy. Each episode will build on each other and get better because it will be damn near impossible to frick this series up
Posted on 11/29/21 at 2:53 pm to Bard
quote:They want suspense as to who is the Dragon Reborn, so they must give more early time to Mat/Perrin, and the thieving and wife accomplish that (though I don't like what they did to Mat's family).
Some of the things they are doing might make sense later (like Perrin being married or Matt being a thief) or they may have been just to give those characters more flesh earlier (because both characters were somewhat flat in the first book). Other things, like how they rushed the flight from Emond's Field to the point where it made Rand's blowup at Moiraine feel awkward and out of place... that makes me wonder exactly how much of a grasp on the story they really have.
Beyond that, they simply MUST streamline to get the 14-book story into 64 episodes (that is 175 pages per hour of TV), and I actually agree with most of what they have done so far.
Examples?
Baerlon. By skipping it, all we really missed was meeting Min, and it will be easy to have her and Rand cross paths somewhere further down the road. See Nynaeve catching the group. Rather than finding them in a Baerlon inn, she just rejoined the story out on the road. Same with the Children. Rather than Mat playing a prank on them in Baerlon, they just meet on the road, too. (Incidentally, a really clever way to introduce the 3 Oaths).
Mining Village. The mining village smoothly consolidated several things. First, it replaced Baerlon while saving some set production money in building a small city. Second, it let them introduce Thom separately from the EF4 (Rand/Mat/Perrin/Egwene). That first episode didn't really need still another character introduction. Third, the only interesting thing about Rand/Mat traveling the road from Whitebridge to Caemlyn was the Darkfriend encounter. Playing with Darkfried Dana in the mining village probably makes that entire (boring) trip unnecessary. Hell, it may even make Whitebridge unnecessary as a whole, since Thom fought the Myrddraahl (and lost Mat/Rand) at the farmer's cottage. Even the dead Aielman let them introduce an important story element quickly and easily.
The downside is that the world is still looking pretty small, as we still haven't seen anything resembling a living city. If they skip Whitebridge, we don't see anything but countryside until Caemlyn. Heck, do we even see Caemlyn? They could meet Loial in an inn anywhere, and the fact that Elayne is not cast until Season 2 tells me that they don't even go to Caemlyn this season.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:17 pm to ChexMix
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I expected them to at least follow the general premise of the story
The show is doing this...sure they've made some changes to make it watchable and understandable for the non book reading audience. But to trudge through 3 books basically where Matt Cauthon and Perrin Aybarra don't really matter was kind of a waste of time in the books and would have been a huge waste of time in a TV series.
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character depictions that were similar
So your perceived character depictions should be the end all be all????
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follow the actual chain of events that happened.
It pretty much has in about the best way a TV show could.
I knew book readers weren't going to like this show before the first trailer even came out because no matter how much you want to you can't pace a TV show like a book. You can't flesh out characters, landscapes, and universes in a TV show like you can in a book (especially if that story spans 14 books and a prequel book)....it's pretty much the reason that everyone says "the book was better" for pretty much every book ever brought to the screen.
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Its entertaining and will captivate those audiences that enjoy fantasy. Each episode will build on each other and get better because it will be damn near impossible to frick this series up
It would have been better for your blood pressure had you set these types of expectations prior to the series debut.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:33 pm to Heron_Blade_Master
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the fact that Elayne is not cast until Season 2 tells me that they don't even go to Caemlyn this season.
If that is the case how far will this show actually go? You are suggesting that the first season won't even get to the completion of a single book. They better have some younger actors tee'd up to continue the show for 14 seasons
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:39 pm to LSU316
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So your perceived character depictions should be the end all be all????
That's not quite right. Jordan described his characters in deep enough detail to give the reader a good idea of their looks. This is no different than if they portray a stedding as pasture with a fairy ring in it.
Don't worry that there's no trees there even though that's part of the visual description, that's just your "perceived depictions". Right?
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:45 pm to Bard
There is still plenty of room for an individual's imagination to take over when it comes to how characters look.
I can guarantee you that my imagination didn't show me the Lan that is on the cover of TEOTW. I pictured the man completely different.
ETA
Also the books do tend to make strange appearance changes over time....For book 1 Rand's hair was supposed to be straight from what I can remember and then by Winter's Heart he was said to have curls that hung down to his neck....so even over time the book's change the appearance.
I can guarantee you that my imagination didn't show me the Lan that is on the cover of TEOTW. I pictured the man completely different.
ETA
Also the books do tend to make strange appearance changes over time....For book 1 Rand's hair was supposed to be straight from what I can remember and then by Winter's Heart he was said to have curls that hung down to his neck....so even over time the book's change the appearance.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:49 pm to LSU316
quote:Show runners have said that they are not doing "one book per season," but are mixing things up. For instance, incorporating parts of Books 2 & 3 into the first season.quote:If that is the case how far will this show actually go? You are suggesting that the first season won't even get to the completion of a single book. They better have some younger actors tee'd up to continue the show for 14 seasons
the fact that Elayne is not cast until Season 2 tells me that they don't even go to Caemlyn this season.
We have already seen one instance of that by s1.e4, when the Red gentled Logain before taking him to the Tower at Tar Valon. In Book 1, we did not see Logain gentled in the field. In fact, I don't think we even learned of it until Book 4, and it happened at Tar Valon. Also, Nynaeve overtly channeled in that episode, at a point far earlier than in the books.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:52 pm to LSU316
quote:I have read the entire book series several times, and I like the TV series just fine so far.
I knew book readers weren't going to like this show before the first trailer even came out
But you are correct that Book Nazis would not have been pleased with anything less than 1000 hours of TV, using the books in place of a screenplay and script.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 4:54 pm to Heron_Blade_Master
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We have already seen one instance of that by s1.e4. In Book 1, we did not see Logain gentled in the field.
Speaking of Logain, in the books he was mentioned MANY times before he's actually introduced but in the show I think his name was mentioned once before they showed him at the end of E3.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:11 pm to Heron_Blade_Master
You people are trying to force me to look at the show from the POV of the books which I told myself I wouldn't do and haven't so far
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:11 pm to Bard
quote:True, but I don't put that in the same category of "things where they changed the order."
Speaking of Logain, in the books he was mentioned MANY times before he's actually introduced but in the show I think his name was mentioned once before they showed him at the end of E3.
In the books, we knew that Logain was fighting a war and that he was defeated and captured by the Red, long before any POV character saw him. The series simply shows events that were happening at the same time in the books, but just "off the page," so to speak.
I always liked the Logain character, and he is present in almost every book ... weaving then gentled then Healed. I like that the show is moving him into a more-prominent role.
This post was edited on 11/29/21 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:13 pm to LSU316
quote:As I watch the show, I am doing two things.
You people are trying to force me to look at the show from the POV of the books which I told myself I wouldn't do and haven't so far
First, I am enjoying it stand-alone as a pretty good (not yet "great") visual story.
Second, I am comparing it to the written source material.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:34 pm to LSU316
quote:have you even read the books???
LSU316
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:47 pm to Heron_Blade_Master
quote:SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
But you are correct that Book Nazis would not have been pleased with anything less than 1000 hours of TV, using the books in place of a screenplay and script.
how about Perrin not being married, or being given the axe by Master Luan before setting out or Elyas meeting them in the woods, introducing Perrin to the wolves and the tinkers, and his eyes turning gold... ffs sakes Baerlon was erased all together. Rand channeling for the first time to give Egwenes horse stamina to escape the drakar...Meeting Min and the whitecloak encounter with Rand and Matt. This is NOT the eye of the world.
Wanting the story to follow the books is not being a Nazi, and yes i can understand deviating from the books in some instances but rewriting them all together is wrong. Robert Jordan is rolling in his grave and any true fan of the books is disappointed.
Now, as a stand alone show, its been very entertaining. I will watch every episode multiple times because i used to pray that someone would bring my favorite books to life on the bigscreen. But what a disappointment it is to see the drivel that was written into the script.
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