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re: What happened to Tony Soprano. (from David Chase himself)
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:37 pm to Captain Fantasy
Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:37 pm to Captain Fantasy
At the end of the day, you can all think Tony is dead but we didn't see him shot and the writer says he is not dead. Thus he is alive.
You can argue that the final scene was poorly executed and shouldn't have been shot the way it was shot, but if Chase says Tony Soprano is alive, then he is alive.
Hell, even if we heard gunfire at the end and chase said he was alive, then he would be alive.
I like the final scene either way. For one moment, I actually felt the panic that Tony felt every time he walked out of his door.
You can argue that the final scene was poorly executed and shouldn't have been shot the way it was shot, but if Chase says Tony Soprano is alive, then he is alive.
Hell, even if we heard gunfire at the end and chase said he was alive, then he would be alive.
I like the final scene either way. For one moment, I actually felt the panic that Tony felt every time he walked out of his door.
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Posted on 8/27/14 at 2:59 pm to GEAUXmedic
You people really don't get it do you?
Chase was not answering the question literally. He never would. Well he never could answer it literally. Because, in a literal interpretation of the scene, Tony is neither dead or alive.
The context of Chase's answer lies in the question. If the question would have been asked any other way then the answer from Chase would have been different.
The author asks him: "Is Tony Soprano dead?"
This made the answer very easy for Chase. "No" "No he isn't"
He is not dead, because you just asked me about him. Because people still breakdown youtube videos of the scene. Because he is discussed likely daily. he will never die.
And that is the point. That is Chase's true art. The perspective/imagination of the viewer is just as important as the treatment.
Tony is alive in our minds. It does not matter if he is alive or dead in the universe of the show. In fact, it matters so little that Chase likely never even decided for himself if he lived or dies in that universe.
As soon as the screen went black Tony became immortal and equally mortal in the mind of every viewer out there. Which, in the context of Chase's most recent answer, renders Tony alive.
Chase was not answering the question literally. He never would. Well he never could answer it literally. Because, in a literal interpretation of the scene, Tony is neither dead or alive.
The context of Chase's answer lies in the question. If the question would have been asked any other way then the answer from Chase would have been different.
The author asks him: "Is Tony Soprano dead?"
This made the answer very easy for Chase. "No" "No he isn't"
He is not dead, because you just asked me about him. Because people still breakdown youtube videos of the scene. Because he is discussed likely daily. he will never die.
And that is the point. That is Chase's true art. The perspective/imagination of the viewer is just as important as the treatment.
Tony is alive in our minds. It does not matter if he is alive or dead in the universe of the show. In fact, it matters so little that Chase likely never even decided for himself if he lived or dies in that universe.
As soon as the screen went black Tony became immortal and equally mortal in the mind of every viewer out there. Which, in the context of Chase's most recent answer, renders Tony alive.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:01 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Chase was not answering the question literally. He never would. Well he never could answer it literally. Because, in a literal interpretation of the scene, Tony is neither dead or alive.
I think I would hate this guy. Who answers like that without being specific as to your meaning?
what a dick 
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:13 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
quote:
Tony is alive in our minds. It does not matter if he is alive or dead in the universe of the show. In fact, it matters so little that Chase likely never even decided for himself if he lived or dies in that universe.
I'm not buying this at all.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:25 pm to DallasTiger11
The way I see it, the show is from tony's point of view.
He wasn't getting heaven. Blackess and nothingness from his point of view, is death. No more to see, no more to hear, nothing to show or give or learn. All gone.
To me, if that's his viewpoint, he's gone. And nothing else came afterwards.
He wasn't getting heaven. Blackess and nothingness from his point of view, is death. No more to see, no more to hear, nothing to show or give or learn. All gone.
To me, if that's his viewpoint, he's gone. And nothing else came afterwards.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:28 pm to SEClint
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The way I see it, the show is from tony's point of view.
I'd agree with his dead if this was the case but the show isn't from Tony's POV at all. He get the majority of the screen time but the arc isn't told from his POV.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:34 pm to Dire Wolf
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but the show isn't from Tony's POV at all.
And I have to disagree with that, the show revolves around him and his actions. Of course to make the show more interesting we see what goes on with other characters, but it all stems back to him.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:43 pm to GEAUXmedic
Well, I assume they left it open in case there was going to be a movie. Now the point is rather moot, wouldn't ya say?
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:44 pm to SEClint
For Chase to say that Tony didn't die at the end of the last episode is nonsense, and makes me lose a lot of respect for the show and his creative process. It was clearly structured, shot, and edited to indicate Tony dies. To somehow say otherwise seems like a cheap backpedal.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 3:57 pm to DallasTiger11
So Chase ends the series with a big "frick you" to the viewers.
Now he's giving a big "frick you" to his apologists that praised him for "killing" Tony.
Now you see how it feels.
Now he's giving a big "frick you" to his apologists that praised him for "killing" Tony.
Now you see how it feels.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 5:02 pm to Fewer Kilometers
quote:
So Chase ends the series with a big "frick you" to the viewers.
Now he's giving a big "frick you" to his apologists that praised him for "killing" Tony.
Now you see how it feels.
Nah, the beauty of it is that I am free to completely disregard what he says. Unless he wants to whip out some extra script pages and/or deleted scenes, I'm good with my own interpretation.
Now, George Lucas was much more insidious by making the prequels. As much as I want to say that I can just pretend that they didn't exist, the truth is that I saw them and can't just bleach them from my mind so, alternative cool theories aside, Anakin Skywalker really was a whiny emo punk because I saw it on the screen!
This post was edited on 8/27/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 8/27/14 at 5:11 pm to DallasTiger11
If it was so obvious what happened, there wouldn't be an argument. You don't see a guy take a gun out, or even walk towards Tony. All you see is things from Tony's perspective, looking around the restaurant, keeping tabs on everybody. A little on the edge.
DirtyMikeandtheboys summed it up. Chase left it open for interpretation, and all the people who need closure and need to take things literally got pissed off. Like the episode with the Russian in the woods- does he live or die? Does it matter? He's half dead in the snow and lost in the woods.
DirtyMikeandtheboys summed it up. Chase left it open for interpretation, and all the people who need closure and need to take things literally got pissed off. Like the episode with the Russian in the woods- does he live or die? Does it matter? He's half dead in the snow and lost in the woods.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 5:14 pm to Walking the Earth
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Nah, the beauty of it is that I am free to completely disregard what he says.
Until Chase proves that he lived within the confines of the show, I'm not believing some disgruntled remark he made over coffee to someone. He has continually stated that it wasn't a trick or ambiguous and that the answer was all there if you watch it. Well, this answer today totally contradicts what he's said before.
I'm supposed to believe after years of avoiding this question that he makes one statement to some writer with no backup to his claim and all of a sudden that is fact now? No way.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 5:21 pm to TheIndulger
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Like the episode with the Russian in the woods- does he live or die? Does it matter? He's half dead in the snow and lost in the woods.
The fate of some random character versus the fate of the protagonist is completely different.
Yeah, you're right it isn't obvious what happened. Is it ever a complete fact that someone's dead in a movie or TV show unless we see their body buried into the ground? But with some investigation it becomes more clear. Chase set it up that he died at the end going all the way back to the conversation with Baccala on the boat. Now he's just trolling his audience.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 5:29 pm to DallasTiger11
It was pretty obvious everyone else who died on the show was dead
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:11 pm to GEAUXmedic
Sounds like a troll job by Chase.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:29 pm to JumpingTheShark
3 pages in and people still arguing and interpreting is exactly what the ending was supposed to do. I like to thing Tony escaped the diner, bailed to MIA, and spent his days doing blow and banging south beach strippers.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 6:53 pm to GEAUXmedic
My interpretation:
He didn't die....we just got a glimpse of what it was like to be Tony Soprano at any given moment. Everyone is a potential threat and there's never a peaceful moment.
He didn't die....we just got a glimpse of what it was like to be Tony Soprano at any given moment. Everyone is a potential threat and there's never a peaceful moment.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:13 pm to Marciano1
quote:
He didn't die....we just got a glimpse of what it was like to be Tony Soprano at any given moment. Everyone is a potential threat and there's never a peaceful moment.
He could've done that without the cut to black.
Posted on 8/27/14 at 7:33 pm to GEAUXmedic
I think of him as dead so I hope the let Tony Soprano rest in peace.
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