re: Westworld S01E05 - "Contrapasso" Thread

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It's like Ford has been punishing MIB timeline Lawrence and Dolores for doing something in the William timeline.

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These aren't two different timelines. Lawrence and Dolores are both normally on 'story loops'. What you saw in the show was MIB intercepting Lawrence's normal story loop, which ends with him getting hanged, and taking him along on MIBs quest, until MIB killed him. Then, when Lawrence died, he was fixed and put back on his normal story loop, which is when William and Delores, who has taken herself off of her normal story loop, encountered Lawrence and participated in his normal loop.

It's all right there in the show. It's not that mysterious. This show is like an intelligence test. People who buy into this multiple timeline garbage are below a certain intelligence threshold.

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This show is like an intelligence test. People who buy into this multiple timeline garbage are below a certain intelligence threshold.

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It's all right there in the show. It's not that mysterious. This show is like an intelligence test. People who buy into this multiple timeline garbage are below a certain intelligence threshold.

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That's rough, man. I wouldn't say such a thing. I'm still on the fence concerning the multiple time frames, as some of the evidence people present for it is very weak.

While I'm not a proponent of the nonlinear storytelling on the show as of yet, the differing logos are by far the most powerful evidence for different time frames presented thus far. It's difficult to reconcile the logos without thinking there are showing a past time and a present/future time.

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It's all right there in the show. It's not that mysterious. This show is like an intelligence test. People who buy into this multiple timeline garbage are below a certain intelligence threshold.

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I missed this the first time I read and replied to your post.

I'm not entirely sold on the multiple timeframes theory, even with the two different logos I cited earlier. But I can see where a nonlinear storyline is definitely possible. The whole show just seems to be setup for a giant reveal at the end that'll have people rewatching it to find details that hinted at the twist from the very beginning. Kind of like The Sixth Sense. And you calling people stupid for speculating on this might just come back to bite you in the arse.

On a side note: I haven't seen anyone mention something I noticed that may or may not be significant. In the opening sequence of episode 2, when we first met William, they started out by showing us his reflection in the darkened train window then panned down to him reclining in his seat and I could swear it's two different people. And considering there seems to be a running theme with mirrors and reflections I think that might be a hint at the twist that's coming. Or I could just be overanalyzing.

Or maybe something happens to William and it really messes him up

I think there are certainly different timeframes happening ...just flashbacks and such due to the scene cuts. (MiB saying "let's start from the beginning" then immediately cut to Delores and William.

But the 30 years ago stuff will be saved for later seasons...they want this to be the next GoT they will wait and go back to that story in a future season IMO

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I think there are certainly different timeframes happening ...just flashbacks and such due to the scene cuts.

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Well, the fragmented memories - for sure - are some version of "different" moments in time. The fragmented memories are akin to the hosts have PTSD. Delores hearing voices/talking to unseen persons is akin to schizophrenia or psychosis. Of course the guests and staff interact with/talk to people "who aren't real." But, they know or think they know who is real or not. (Or do they?).

I am also undecided on the whole - 30 years ago stuff. The different logos are definitely intriguing. I mean, if we're on board with the "guests age, hosts don't" - then almost anything is possible, because visible aging offers us virtually no clues. I just don't have a definitive opinion on it, either way, although I'm leaning, more than slightly, towards - "What we're seeing here from the perspective of the 'guests' and 'staff' are generally contemporary and current events, from a narrative standpoint (excluding the obvious flashback for Sir Anthony)." There's no telling on the host flashbacks how far back or even how accurate some of those memory fragments are.

But, with all the joking the staff does about each other and themselves being hosts, I think we have a few other twists in store - more so than some convoluted multiple timeline story. All the conflicting agendas, the looming power struggle for the park coming - that looks to have lots of potential.

Well the thing is, Stubbs and other employees never directly interact with William. The only employee that interacted with William was that chick that helped him dress who was definitely a host.
The sheriff scene insinuated that Stubbs was talking about William but it is possible that it could have just been clever editing.

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That is not clever editing, that would be deceptive editing.

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yeah

that is my thing about the double timeline theory

if they do it, it would be full of huge plot holes and gimmicky editing, and would honestly just piss me off now

But did you actually see Stubbs use William or his douchebag BIL's name? Or was it "Dolores and a guest". Huge difference if they are trying to trick the viewer.