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Unforgiven - was Little Bill pretty much in the right?

Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:59 pm
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 9:59 pm
Seems like he kinda was the one trying to keep some order overall.

Of course he was sort of an a-hole in the way he went about it.
Posted by Jack Ruby
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:03 pm to
He got what was coming to him...
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:10 pm to
No. All that shite got started because Little Bill didn’t do anything about the two cowboys to begin with. You beat down and kill people you suspect of being bounty hunters, but two cowboys come to town and cut up a prostitute and you let them off with giving some horses to the saloon owner? C’mon Bill.
Posted by saintsfan22
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:14 pm to
And at least he thought Ned did something, even though he was wrong. English Bob was just there and he beat the shite out of him.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:19 pm to
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English Bob was just there and he beat the shite out of him.




Yeah he really seemed have one hell of a grudge and years of aggression built up towards poor old Bob. Probably something about a woman.

I actually wouldn’t mind a prequel to Unforgiven to show Bob and Bill’s past and Ned and Muny’s wild days.
Posted by the paradigm
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:49 pm to
Bill’s biggest problem was his ego. He wanted everyone to know what a badass he was... and then he met his match.
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:56 pm to
He did nothing about the attack on the prostitute. Displaying Ned's body had nothing to do w law enforcement
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 7/14/18 at 10:57 pm to
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He got what was coming to him.


"Deserve's got nothing to do with it."
Posted by MasonTiger
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 6:08 am to
One less shitty carpenter.
Posted by upgrade
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:17 am to
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No. All that shite got started because Little Bill didn’t do anything about the two cowboys to begin with. You beat down and kill people you suspect of being bounty hunters, but two cowboys come to town and cut up a prostitute and you let them off with giving some horses to the saloon owner? C’mon Bill.


Perfect answer.

Also, a bit side track, I like how when Little Bill beats English Bob and sends him away,the writer now starts to suck up to Little Bill. Little Bill appears to like the idea of having someone write about him and embraces it. When Will kills Little Bill, the writer now tries to do the same with Will, but he doesn't give two shits about that.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 8:49 am to
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No. All that shite got started because Little Bill didn’t do anything about the two cowboys to begin with. You beat down and kill people you suspect of being bounty hunters, but two cowboys come to town and cut up a prostitute and you let them off with giving some horses to the saloon owner?


First of all only 1 cowboy cut a whore and since when does assault and battery justify a death sentence? Was Bill to easy on him? Sure. I guess that makes the hookers proto SJWs (WFM, whores faces matter?). However they come to pay the horses to Skinny, the one who did not do the cutting offers a horse to the girl that was cut. Keep in mind this is the 1880s a horse was extremely valuable. No way a girl of her stature would have owned a horse. She could probably sell it and have enough to start a decent life. She seemed genuinely touched by the offer to. Instead the angry SJW bitch, who was not assaulted at all, rejects the offer for the girl that was cut and her and the mob throw shite(literally) at the cowboys and put out a bounty on them which Bill knows will attract all kinds of awful characters.

As for English Bob he violates the clearly posted city ordinance regarding fire arms and lies to the police. So it would seem police brutality is nothing new.

Little Bill was 100% correct even if his slight miscarriage of justice was the impetus

This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 8:53 am
Posted by upgrade
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:00 am to
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Little Bill was 100% correct


No. He should have whipped the big cowboy that did I the cutting and the whores would have accepted that. Instead the cowboys have to pay Skinny in horses. Not the girl that got cut, mind you, but the bar owner because he has a contract with her.

Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:19 am to
He was too easy on the cowboys but was right about everything else. And the cowboys did offer a horse to the girl that got cut but the other whores rejected it.
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:27 am to
quote:

First of all only 1 cowboy cut a whore and since when does assault and battery justify a death sentence? Was Bill to easy on him? Sure. I guess that makes the hookers proto SJWs (WFM, whores faces matter?). However they come to pay the horses to Skinny, the one who did not do the cutting offers a horse to the girl that was cut. Keep in mind this is the 1880s a horse was extremely valuable. No way a girl of her stature would have owned a horse. She could probably sell it and have enough to start a decent life. She seemed genuinely touched by the offer to. Instead the angry SJW bitch, who was not assaulted at all, rejects the offer for the girl that was cut and her and the mob throw shite(literally) at the cowboys and put out a bounty on them which Bill knows will attract all kinds of awful characters.

As for English Bob he violates the clearly posted city ordinance regarding fire arms and lies to the police. So it would seem police brutality is nothing new.

Little Bill was 100% correct even if his slight miscarriage of justice was the impetus


Who said it justified a death sentence?? I think the big thing was that Little Bill never did anything to see justice served for the prostitute herself. No jail time, not even waiting for a trial, just compensation given to her employer. He could have least gotten that bull whip out for a few lashes. You said it yourself it was the cowboy who offered to give her a horse not Bill making him. What kind of message does that send to other about Big Whiskey? Come here do whatever you want, beat and cut up women, just be sure to have some extra horses.

But justice for the prostitute notwithstanding, let’s just pretend that she is nothing but a whore and a financial asset/piece of property to Skinny. If horse theft justified hanging in those days then ruining a man’s piece of property to the point where it won’t ever make money again should carry a bit more of a punishment than getting some horses, especially when the man isn’t in the horse business. I mean shite those horses could all die the next day. You don’t think maybe some actual monetary compensation and/or jail time or at least putting it in front of a judge would have been too much to ask? Or was Bill too busy building his house to worry about doing his job.

I mean even Bob had to spend some time in the jail after his little episode with Bill for doing something pretty tame compared to the prostitute situation.

Bill was a lazy sheriff who only really wanted to seek justice, or at least his version of it at the time of the individual situations, when it could pump up his ego, and it’s because his horsetrading form of law enforcement at the beginning of the movie that it all spiraled downward. But shite he was building a house
This post was edited on 7/15/18 at 9:29 am
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:43 am to
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Who said it justified a death sentence??


The whore’s put a bounty on them, that’s a death sentence. Everything Bill did after that was to try and prevent it.

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just compensation given to her employer


I think we need to realize again this was the 1880s. 30-40 years before the 19th Amendment so 21st century standards do not apply. He wasn’t just her “employer” he paid to bring her out there so was more like an investment/property and after she was cut she had little or no economic value to him. Though yes Bill should have beat the at least the one dudes arse.

Posted by 12
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:44 am to
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:52 am to
Everybody keeps saying he just cut up her face. The guy had a manic episode during which he cut her up. Plus didn't he have to be restrained? That is attempted murder. Even worse it was against an innocent, vulnerable woman. Guy had major issues and should have hung. Probably wasn't the first time he ever went off on a woman, wouldn't be the last..
Posted by Zap Rowsdower
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 9:55 am to
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The whore’s put a bounty on them, that’s a death sentence. Everything Bill did after that was to try and prevent it.


And that never would have happened had Bill gotten the bullwhip out, put him in jail, actually pushed for a trial, etc. anything but that lighter sentence. That’s the point I was making in my original post in the thread. If Bill had done his job and actually sought justice instead of going easy on the cowboys to begin with the whores would have never put the bounty out and nothing else would have happened.
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:08 am to
This. We always apply recent ethics to any movie. The writer and director did a great job by making this a morally ambiguous story. Trying to put the white hat on Eastwood and the black hat on Hackman misses the point of the movie.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 7/15/18 at 10:17 am to
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I actually wouldn’t mind a prequel to Unforgiven to show Bob and Bill’s past and Ned and Muny’s wild days.



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