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re: True Detective S4 Season Long Thread

Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:48 pm to
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:48 pm to
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Not full on light, but you do get glimpses of some light during the night seasons up there. Its just not every day and is in shorter stints.

oh, so you're saying the light's winning
Posted by rebelrouser
Columbia, SC
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:55 pm to
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They've grown each week (don't know the numbers from yesterdays episode) but episode 3 had 2.7 million viewers.


Wow. Did not expect that. Season 5 of Fargo failed to reach 1 million for any episode. Pretty good by comparison, and I would imagine a lot more people have access to FX.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 2:58 pm to
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shoehorning the title of the season into the dialogue in general - oof.

A central aspect of numerous historic films.



Posted by wahoocs
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:00 pm to
This thread has more of my attention than the subject matter ever did or will have

I will have to find a short series on Netflix or Prime just to get the bad taste of this shite out

Oh, did anyone mention or have a guess at the body Navarro saw at the dredge. Assume it was supposed to be her sister. Thought I picked up a glimpse of green hair, but didn't and don't care enough to rewatch
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:03 pm to
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A central aspect of numerous historic films.



it is a huge pet peeve of mine in general in movies and tv shows, but sometimes it makes sense. True Detective season 4 is not one of those times.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:03 pm to
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This thread has more of my attention than the subject matter ever did or will have

It's funny b/c last week there was almost no posting because Ep3 sucked so badly and you could tell people were uneasy.

Now the floodgates are open

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the body Navarro saw at the dredge. Assume it was supposed to be her sister.

correct
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:04 pm to
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Assume it was supposed to be her sister.

it was definitely supposed to be her sister, first floating in the water, then as a ghost or hallucination or whatever
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:05 pm to
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Not full on light, but you do get glimpses of some light during the night seasons up there. Its just not every day and is in shorter stints.




They get roughly the equivalent of 3-4 hours of dusk for their daylight north of the artic circle in late december.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:06 pm to
I can't speak for others but I really wanted to give it a shot based solely on the heritage in the title, plus the cast looked good and the setting is intriguing. It was also fun to poke at the chuds claiming it was WOKE due to the leads. Two episodes in and I was still up for defending it, then really teetered following the third. After last night? I'm going to enjoy hate-watching this show for the last two episodes and ripping it to shreds.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:10 pm to
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I can't speak for others but I really wanted to give it a shot based solely on the heritage in the title, plus the cast looked good and the setting is intriguing. It was also fun to poke at the chuds claiming it was WOKE due to the leads. Two episodes in and I was still up for defending it, then really teetered following the third. After last night? I'm going to enjoy hate-watching this show for the last two episodes and ripping it to shreds.

All of this. Had been waiting for this show to make a run at the season 1 lore again and was hopeful with Rust’s connection to Alaska that somehow they could make it work.

It has not worked.
Posted by schatman
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Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:15 pm to
Yeah, the last 2 have gone completely off the rails. It's almost like ChatGPT was fed ideas from the first season and then accidentally got The Grudge mixed in with it, then it spits out this dreck.
Posted by Doug_H
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:21 pm to
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I can't speak for others but I really wanted to give it a shot based solely on the heritage in the title, plus the cast looked good and the setting is intriguing. It was also fun to poke at the chuds claiming it was WOKE due to the leads

Same. I actually never had high hopes for S2 or S3, despite the big names casted, due to just how fricking great S1 was the only logical next step was obviously down.
I didn't even think of S4 & Alaska tying into Rust. I like Jodie Foster and Hank Prior and the trailer looked. Foster's a bitch, Prior's basically a deadbeat, and other than it being cold nothing else to me really matters that it's in Alaska. As others mentioned there has been no significance to the continuous night.
Again I'll say the supernatural stuff is a slap in the face of the S1. In the words' Liz Danver's "frick", it's even in the name True Detective
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:26 pm to
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I can't speak for others but I really wanted to give it a shot based solely on the heritage in the title, plus the cast looked good and the setting is intriguing. It was also fun to poke at the chuds claiming it was WOKE due to the leads.

Yes. I said earlier today it's shitty that she's ruining this setting and the setup. Agree completely, especially with the snowflake virtue signalers after Ep1.

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hen really teetered following the third.

Oh yeah I didn't hate it or anything but it was clearly a mess and Ep4 quadrupled down on the mess.

The biggest issues are there are just too many characters too much going on. If they had 10 episodes, this could be salvaged. They have 2 more episodes.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 3:28 pm
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:30 pm to
Someone in a Reddit thread posted questions that he wanted answered in the last two episodes, and there were over 40!
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:31 pm to
I almost wonder if this season would have been better served with the 2 detectives being Peter Prior and either Navarro or Danvers. Prior quietly has an actual arc developing with a fleshed out back story. I have no idea why they chose Navarro and Danvers to occupy the same space and be the focus of the show (inb4 “oh you know why they chose two female leads”). From a storytelling perspective, they’re repeating the same sins of season 2 with too many main characters that I thought they’d ironed out in season 3 (different writers, directors, etc, I know).

Like, Navarro could have easily been rewritten as embodying the qualities of both herself and Danvers, aged up a bit to keep the history with Hank Prior, maintain the native connection/friction, etc
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:42 pm to
What could have transformed this season was getting away from the partner (or throuple of season 2) dynamic and having one lead detective and create a dynamic of isolation from her subordinates who all have solid family lives. It would really fit within the setting. Don't get into details about their lives just show them as normal and fulfilling nuclear families and have the main detective dealing with that, isolated in the dark, overwhelmed with a case too big for the small town, with no help coming, and a big corporation breathing down her neck.

Instead we have an examination of like 8 characters' lives, with all these secondary and tertiary storylines getting more airtime than the actual focus of the season (the Night Country Thing from the Dyatlov Pass).
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:47 pm to
I don’t dislike that approach. But if you’re going to do that, you’re either just reinventing Rust’s character without a Marty to play off of or you’re just straight up bringing Mcconaughey back to reprise his role (given what they’ve attempted to do here in reconnecting to season 1, I’d much rather they have gone with the latter)
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:52 pm to
Could have also done something with maybe a local Ennis PD dominated and staffed by indigenous people with an outside State Trooper coming in to oversee the investigation.
Posted by Jsand43
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:53 pm to
Can someone please explain the Forbes critic bashing the last two episodes before they are released? I don't follow critics very closely like some of you do. Is this common practice? This is a sincere question.

Also everyone that says they're done with the show can kick rocks. I am a glutton for punishment and never quit on a crappy show. Bring on episodes five and six. I am in the night country now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 3:58 pm to
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I don’t dislike that approach. But if you’re going to do that, you’re either just reinventing Rust’s character without a Marty to play off of or you’re just straight up bringing Mcconaughey back to reprise his role (

Isolation didn't make Rust, though. Rust was bonkers and nihilistic to an extreme degree.

I'm talking about a normal person under extreme pressure who is also lonely and isolated.
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