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re: True Detective S1E5 "The Secret Fate of All Life"

Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:59 pm to
Posted by Mizzou to my Lou
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:59 pm to
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The preacher



Ding ding


That would probably be the most disappointing outcome for me
Posted by TheFolker
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 8:59 pm to
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It all could be a dream in Rust's head and he wakes up at the end of episode 8.


He wakes up at Dora Lange's crime scene. Time is a flat circle.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:18 pm to
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That would be the most disappointing outcome


I love people saying this before they see how it plays out. This show won't be undone by the who or the what. It's written too well....

Go listen to full sermon by Theriot on hbo.com...listen to the imagery he uses...He has charisma and people naturally follow him from town to town in his ministry.his old church was burned down and he didn't care. Painting of the killings on his old church...When the cops talk to him he don't get nervous.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:20 pm to
I figure there's several figures we've seen involved (as to who is "the" murderer I don't know) in order for there to be a large enough coverup that they're fricking with police files (and marking them as reported "in error") without anyone noticing for several years.
Posted by jg8623
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 9:56 pm to
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quote: I've been reading your opinions since the show started and I believe you are suffering from confirmation bias. Most of your original fears regarding pacing have failed to materialize, yet you still hold on to this shitty ending theory. Regardless of how the season concludes, I get the feeling that you will proclaim it wasn't done correctly.


Good chance of that happening. People who go thru a tv show or movie with a certain predetermined attitude rarely change their stance no matter how it ends up

Posted by econ85
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:14 pm to
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It all could be a dream in Rust's head and he wakes up at the end of episode 8.


Have you noticed that Rust's hallucinations have ceased after the first 1-2 episodes? It's odd for a show / movie to abruptly quit using a device like that. Or am I missing something?
Posted by guedeaux
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 10:52 pm to
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Have you noticed that Rust's hallucinations have ceased after the first 1-2 episodes? It's odd for a show / movie to abruptly quit using a device like that. Or am I missing something?


I thought about that also. The dicks asked him if he is still having hallucinations, and he siad not in a while or something like that but I can't remember exactly what he responded,
Posted by HappyTownTiger
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:17 pm to
The red winged black bird symbolizes an understanding of the forces of nature as they come into your life, and connected to primal feminine energies.
Re: the logo on Audrey's door.
The words "real estate" is on the poster. Prolly nothin.
Posted by Mizzou to my Lou
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:20 pm to
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primal feminine energies


Posted by Bayou Sam
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:39 pm to
Re: Decatur's theory, this poster on reddit sums it up:

"Hart isn't sufficiently competent to do something as simple as conduct a single affair with a courthouse stenographer without detection. He sure as hairy donkey arse can't successfully manage a clandestine, multi-layered murder-cult over the course of decades."

Posted by rebeloke
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 11:43 pm to
Mother frickin this^
Posted by Jonas
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:36 am to
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listen every week to their podcast, but I really don't understand what Greenwald hated about this show. As in he couldn't articulate past "I don't like cop shows, so I knew going in I hate this one."


I like how Chris Ryan has stuck to his guns since the beginning when Greenwald and Simmons (his boss) wrote the show off.

Greenwald is so swayed that no matter how this show ends, he will criticize it. I often want to ask him, is there anything in the media that you do like besides f/n Kanye West??? It's amazing how much good media he misses because he is too busy trying to find reasons to criticize everything.
Posted by CBandits82
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:39 am to
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That would probably be the most disappointing outcome for me


Its not the preacher.

Way too simple.
Posted by EarthwormJim
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 9:56 am to
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Have you noticed that Rust's hallucinations have ceased after the first 1-2 episodes? It's odd for a show / movie to abruptly quit using a device like that. Or am I missing something?


I thought the visions were a side effect of the Insomnia/Qualuudes?
Posted by Tiger at Law
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:05 am to
If Audrey is involved in the cult, I agree with people that guessed it is through someone in her school...likely a teacher or principal that came to her school from one of the closed-down Tuttle schools.

I wonder if the drug-dealing hooker that knows Rust has any cult connection. I also wonder if Daddario might have some cult connection. She could be crazy enough to get involved and corrupt Audrey just to spite Hart.

Going back to the coonass bunny ranch, I didn't get the impression that the madam was involved in the cult, but the sheriff who is involved would sure fit into the "powerful men" theory.

While traveling preacher and preacher Tuttle sure seem like big suspects, I have some trouble with their motives. They seem all-in on preaching Christianity and, at least from the tent revival scene, the message seemed to be pretty straight up biblical, not some weird spin-off leading to Carcosa.

I could see them killing random low-lifes and nobodies and setting the deaths up in a creepy manner to scare the locals into going to church and keeping up their congregations/money. However, the depth of the cult mythology/kids in the woods/numerous seemingly connected abductions that aren't really public knowledge wouldn't do anything to further the community cult scare angle. That points to true believers.

So, if the Tuttle folks are behind everything, it seems like they are legit hardcore psycho Christians trying to boost their numbers by any means possible (by itself less likely), or they are psycho cultists using Christian ministries to find vulnerable people (kids/whores/druggies) for their true occultist aims and as a side product are pushing people to their moneymaking day jobs. However, except for the big staged murder, and the 2012 murder, there haven't been many public spectacle deaths...

So, why so hush hush about things and why all of the effort by "powerful people" to keep the murders and details out of the public eye? That would diminish efforts to drive people to the various Tuttle ministries.

There haven't been piles of dead kids, except for the boy at the Ledoux compound, so are the cult folks kidnapping kids so they can raise them and indoctrinate them?
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:15 am to
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let me just say that it's really impressive that i am no longer the villain of this thread

Posted by Nonetheless
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:16 am to
This thread is still alive and well
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:29 am to
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2) Grandfather's involvement in the cult is really reaching, and I think there's a 0% chance this is a possibility.


I'm not so sure about that. Check Marty's wife's reaction to the train incident with the daughter. When she goes upstairs to knock, she wisperes, "c'mon baby open the door, It's just you and me". I took that to mean, I can relate to what you are going through. I've been there.

How so? Because the FIL indoctrinated his daughter and now his granddaughter into the cult at young ages.

Maybe a reach, but a definite possibility.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:32 am to
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While traveling preacher and preacher Tuttle sure seem like big suspects, I have some trouble with their motives. They seem all-in on preaching Christianity


you need to go back and listen to the sermon Joel Theriot preached in ep3 in full (6 minute version). he is using some interesting imagery but what he is preaching ain't really christianity.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/20/14 at 10:43 am to
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you need to go back and listen to the sermon Joel Theriot preached in ep3 in full (6 minute version). he is using some interesting imagery but what he is preaching ain't really christianity.


Then compare what he was saying to the ramblings of Ledoux before Hart capped him.

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