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re: True Detective S1E5 "The Secret Fate of All Life"
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:26 pm to HappyTownTiger
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:26 pm to HappyTownTiger
Here is a link to a must read interview with the writer. LINK
You guys might be over thinking it a bit much.
You guys might be over thinking it a bit much.
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I’ve enjoyed reading people theorize about what’s going to happen because it’s a sign that you’re connecting. But I’m also sort of surprised by how far afield they’re getting. Like, why do you think we’re tricking you? It’s because you’ve been abused as an audience for more than 20 years. The show’s not trying to outsmart you. And really if you pay attention… if someone watches the first episode and really listens, it tells you 85 percent of the story of the first six episodes.
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Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:30 pm to booga
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But I’m also sort of surprised by how far afield they’re getting. Like, why do you think we’re tricking you? It’s because you’ve been abused as an audience for more than 20 years. The show’s not trying to outsmart you. And really if you pay attention… if someone watches the first episode and really listens, it tells you 85 percent of the story of the first six episodes.
ive been saying this all day. it's the Lost effect where people read way too much into details and have to force a theory.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:31 pm to booga
He is just fricking with us. Oh if you weren't so damned stupid it I'd right in front of your noses. Sounds like a Marty sentiment.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:33 pm to rebeloke
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:33 pm to TheFolker
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IMO the person who arranged the crime scene from Ep. 1 is calm, intelligent, meticulous, organized, pretty much everything Marty is not. Marty is volatile, explosive, and prone to lashing out. Crimes of passion such as blowing Ledoux's head off are more his speed.
I'm glad you mentioned this. I agree it looks like a very organized crime scene...seems to be meticulously planned occult ritual murder. In that case you would expect the perp to be more intelligent, more skilled, come from a better family, etc. But what I've been considering is that what appears to be a very organized crime scene has actually been staged to mask an unorganized sex crime, which in that case you'd look to a less intelligent, certainly hetero but likely to have some sexual problems. I think the death by strangulation points more to this.
Remember the whiskey-dick that Lisa complained about? The first time we heard about whiskey dick was from the prost that Rust was buying pills from in the hotel. He asked her about rough johns.
"Around here they're rough...or whiskey-limp. Seen plenty of guys that get touchy. Something sets them off and they're like little boys. People always go away around here."
I think Maggie has also described Marty as "sulky teenager" for the last year.
Context clues maybe?
So I've considered that Marty would have known that Rust would just eat up the occult ritual murder angle knowing that Marty got a good look of the kind of reading up that Rust has done on the subject.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:35 pm to booga
Also has anyone mentioned in this thread that there are three scenes depicting men standing around a woman. The first is with Martys daughters dolls as has been pointed out. The second is a photograph with Dora Lange surrounded by men on horseback. The thirds is Chole's beer can figurines, as if he is subtly seeing if the detectives recognize it.
Also, in one scene in the first episode you can clearly see a picture on Marty's wall in his house of a spiral drawn by a child, presumably his oldest daughter. "It was under his nose the whole time" damn, en fuego beat me to it lol
I can't take credit for these, they are from reddit but they fit in with the Marty kid connection a few of y'all are throwing out. I hope I'm not reposting, didn't have time to read 70 paged
Also, in one scene in the first episode you can clearly see a picture on Marty's wall in his house of a spiral drawn by a child, presumably his oldest daughter. "It was under his nose the whole time" damn, en fuego beat me to it lol
I can't take credit for these, they are from reddit but they fit in with the Marty kid connection a few of y'all are throwing out. I hope I'm not reposting, didn't have time to read 70 paged
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:45 pm to booga
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Here is a link to a must read interview with the writer. LINK
You guys might be over thinking it a bit much.
Good read and yes that should put to rest many of the crackpot theories.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:45 pm to booga
For that matter we could say the detectives standing around Dora at the crime scene.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:52 pm to Enfuego
Wonder where his daughter has seen that symbol.
Branded on daddy's back perhaps?
Branded on daddy's back perhaps?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 10:58 pm to booga
I just finished rewatching all 5 episodes tonight. Couple of things of interest:
- I see no evidence of continuity issues. I watched Cohle's interviews meticulously and they all appear to be in order. Idk why continuity was even brought up.
- Cohle's remarks about contemplating Jesus in the garden before his crucifixion are definitely foreshadowing how things will end for himself.
- Marie Fontenot's school was closed after Andrew as well, so perhaps she was involved with the Light of Way establishment.
There a couple things of which I'm sure:
-Neither Cohle nor Hart are the killers.
-Cohle was intentionally discovered at the Lake Charles murder in an attempt to reinsert himself in the law enforcement circle and see what might have been discovered.
-Cohle was not working any of the case until Dora Lange. The books are to be expected for someone moving into the homicide division, and he nearly lost the case to the task force because it took him so long to find a prior murder. If he knew about the King in Yellow before Lange, why wouldn't he divulge it immediately?
-Maggie's dad is inconsequential and any theories about him are a complete guess and totally unfounded in anything we've seen thus far.
I think two people to keep in mind going forward are Captain Spietz(sp?) and Sheriff Tate. Spietz is the white-haired trooper and Tate is the sheriff in the Fontenot case with two deer mounts in his office.
Finally, the thing that continues to bother me from the first five episodes is the comment from Dora Lange's mom from episode 2 - "Why wouldn't a father bathe his own daughter." That quote is too strange and out of place to simply ignore. I believe it will be revisited shortly.
ETA episode 2 for the Lange quote.
- I see no evidence of continuity issues. I watched Cohle's interviews meticulously and they all appear to be in order. Idk why continuity was even brought up.
- Cohle's remarks about contemplating Jesus in the garden before his crucifixion are definitely foreshadowing how things will end for himself.
- Marie Fontenot's school was closed after Andrew as well, so perhaps she was involved with the Light of Way establishment.
There a couple things of which I'm sure:
-Neither Cohle nor Hart are the killers.
-Cohle was intentionally discovered at the Lake Charles murder in an attempt to reinsert himself in the law enforcement circle and see what might have been discovered.
-Cohle was not working any of the case until Dora Lange. The books are to be expected for someone moving into the homicide division, and he nearly lost the case to the task force because it took him so long to find a prior murder. If he knew about the King in Yellow before Lange, why wouldn't he divulge it immediately?
-Maggie's dad is inconsequential and any theories about him are a complete guess and totally unfounded in anything we've seen thus far.
I think two people to keep in mind going forward are Captain Spietz(sp?) and Sheriff Tate. Spietz is the white-haired trooper and Tate is the sheriff in the Fontenot case with two deer mounts in his office.
Finally, the thing that continues to bother me from the first five episodes is the comment from Dora Lange's mom from episode 2 - "Why wouldn't a father bathe his own daughter." That quote is too strange and out of place to simply ignore. I believe it will be revisited shortly.
ETA episode 2 for the Lange quote.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 11:14 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:08 pm to slackster
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Finally, the thing that continues to bother me from the first five episodes is the comment from Dora Lange's mom from episode 1 - "Why wouldn't a father bathe his own daughter." That quote is too strange and out of place to simply ignore. I believe it will be revisited shortly.
Did rewatch of ep2 and thought the same thing. It was ep2 by the way.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:14 pm to John McClane
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JLSIX
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:20 pm to slackster
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-Maggie's dad is inconsequential and any theories about him are a complete guess and totally unfounded in any
We shall see.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:22 pm to slackster
Nice points slackster. I agree with all of them.
I just don't see the normal cliche of hart being the killer in big reveal in the last episode either. I also don't think the grandfather will be involved, that seems to a little too easy writing too.
I just don't see the normal cliche of hart being the killer in big reveal in the last episode either. I also don't think the grandfather will be involved, that seems to a little too easy writing too.
This post was edited on 2/17/14 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:23 pm to HappyTownTiger
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Curious SFP, why are you so obsessed with a show that you seem to not care much for?
wait
is this my weekly thread about girls?
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:26 pm to Decatur
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Branded on daddy's back perhaps?
he lives with rust for a good bit. i'd imagine rust would pick up on that clue
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:28 pm to slackster
Also slackster, about your sheriff Tate, this just popped up on reddit.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:28 pm to booga
Ha I was about to point this out
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:29 pm to northshorebamaman
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We shall see.
To be fair, there is nothing that rules him out completely, but there are much more interesting routes to go than him. I just don't see any reason to focus in him at this time.
Posted on 2/17/14 at 11:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
Good point
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