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re: True Detective S1E08 "Form And Void"
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:31 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:31 pm to fightin tigers
see last post on previous page
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Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:31 pm to tiger2012
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amongst friends, family, strangers, and acquaintances - there's a consensus building
what is this shite?
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:31 pm to fightin tigers
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Holy crap! Did y'all watch the show?
What was the line right after "we didn't get them all." It was, "We got ours."
That sounds like self satisfaction to me. There was no more talk of taking down the cult or making people pay. They were content that the cult died with the halfbreed.
Holy shite. Rust was clearly distraught he couldn't get them all. Marty took some solace in getting the killer they started out after, which was a pretty big accomplishment after 17 years. It was a victory, but they know there's plenty of darkness out there. And now it's not as dark as it was in the beginning.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:32 pm to Salmon
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How was the story neglected?
The entire murder case along with the conspiracy and motives ended up extremely underdeveloped and weak.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:34 pm to DallasTiger11
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The entire murder case along with the conspiracy and motives ended up extremely underdeveloped and weak.
How as the murder case underdeveloped?
The conspiracy, sure, but that was by design, but the murder case was plenty developed.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:34 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I'm going to have to go part after the hospital room and rewatch. It seemed like they wanted to catch more, but weren't going to do anything about it.
After already assuming they had the case wrapped up once this seemed like falling for the same trap.
Then again, I am looking at the murder case when I am told that is not what this show was about.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:36 pm to DallasTiger11
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The entire murder case along with the conspiracy and motives ended up extremely underdeveloped and weak.
That's just not true. Some of the history and background wasn't addressed directly, but it wasn't underdeveloped or weak.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:37 pm to tiger2012
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from what i can gather on reddit, a lot of people summarize the show as this.... phenomenal acting and directing make up for writing that started out strong(by tying together 2 different timelines) and weakened over time.
This is exactly how I feel. The show had potential to be an all-time great and it fizzled out. This is why people are being overly critical and disappointed.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:38 pm to fightin tigers
I too was a little disappointed with the ending. I wanted an exposition of the most interesting part of the show - the cult, what they were doing, and why. This show went from being the best thing on tv I've seen to being just a really good series in the last 3 episodes - the third act if you will.
At the end here's what I take away as a story.
1. Rust and Marty's lives and how they are impacted by years of detective work. Two guys who hated each other (or really more like Marty hated Rust) work together, lose it all, and then only really have each other in the end (no homo - I hope at least).
2. Real life doesn't work like the movies where superheroes solve everything, utterly defeat evil, and leave the rest of us to clean up the mess. Real life is thousands of struggles by thousands of people for the force of "light" against darkness. Each of us plays a small part in the larger whole even though we might not know it or the cost to us personally seems to great to bear. Take satisfaction in playing your part to "get yours" and do not be too troubled that you alone are not changing the entire world. Just the appearance of a few more dots of light means the light is winning.
At the end here's what I take away as a story.
1. Rust and Marty's lives and how they are impacted by years of detective work. Two guys who hated each other (or really more like Marty hated Rust) work together, lose it all, and then only really have each other in the end (no homo - I hope at least).
2. Real life doesn't work like the movies where superheroes solve everything, utterly defeat evil, and leave the rest of us to clean up the mess. Real life is thousands of struggles by thousands of people for the force of "light" against darkness. Each of us plays a small part in the larger whole even though we might not know it or the cost to us personally seems to great to bear. Take satisfaction in playing your part to "get yours" and do not be too troubled that you alone are not changing the entire world. Just the appearance of a few more dots of light means the light is winning.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:41 pm to DallasTiger11
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This is exactly how I feel. The show had potential to be an all-time great and it fizzled out. This is why people are being overly critical and disappointed.
I almost want to believe that the writer originally wanted to make the show centered around some politically powerful and evil cult but switched directions at some point and the resulting jumble is the result of us essentially watching two different drafts of the show.
That worked in the show's favor in the early going but it did lead to a definite fizzling out.
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Pax Regis
Great post and it can't be ignored that both Marty and Rust became better people in the end as a result of this investigation.
Marty in some fashion gets his family back and Rust walks away with considerably less bitterness and a reborn appreciation of life.
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:42 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:43 pm to Pax Regis
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2. Real life doesn't work like the movies where superheroes solve everything, utterly defeat evil, and leave the rest of us to clean up the mess. Real life is thousands of struggles by thousands of people for the force of "light" against darkness. Each of us plays a small part in the larger whole even though we might not know it or the cost to us personally seems to great to bear. Take satisfaction in playing your part to "get yours" and do not be too troubled that you alone are not changing the entire world. Just the appearance of a few more dots of light means the light is winning.
Very good take away.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:43 pm to Salmon
In a show that seemed to be so unique and original the case came down to one man (an inbred psychotic version of Jason who didn't appear at all to be some criminal mastermind). That is a disappointment to me. I'm sorry I feel that way, but that's why I think the case was a letdown.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:44 pm to Salmon
I did that a few pages back, when asked for it.
It was conveniently overlooked
It was conveniently overlooked
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:44 pm to DallasTiger11
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In a show that seemed to be so unique and original the case came down to one man (an inbred psychotic version of Jason who didn't appear at all to be some criminal mastermind).
did y'all even watch the show?
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:44 pm to Salmon
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just to prove that I didn't change my opinion on the show because of the finale
Alright...
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:45 pm to DallasTiger11
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In a show that seemed to be so unique and original the case came down to one man (an inbred psychotic version of Jason who didn't appear at all to be some criminal mastermind). That is a disappointment to me.
But it didn't. They only showed the resolution of one player in the game.
Rust "We didn't get em all"
That is life. We don't have closure in countless things.
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:46 pm to fightin tigers
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Alright...
sorry but I've seen several comments from the negative posters that the pumpers changed their views based on the finale
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:46 pm to Salmon
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did y'all not even watch the show?
I'm starting to think they didn't.
So.... turkey season is just around the corner
This post was edited on 3/10/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 3/10/14 at 1:51 pm to Walking the Earth
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I almost want to believe that the writer originally wanted to make the show centered around some politically powerful and evil cult but switched directions at some point and the resulting jumble is the result of us essentially watching two different drafts of the show.
That worked in the show's favor in the early going but it did lead to a definite fizzling out.
I believe this.
He had all the parts of the story going but either couldn't bring them together or ran out of episodes.
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